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Old 02-09-2017, 08:46 PM   #31
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Well plants don't really adhere to political boundaries...

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:27 PM   #32
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maple syrup is a commodity that's strictly graded and regulated. Nobody could tell the difference between US and Canadian.

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:30 PM   #33
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The Canadians and Americans grade it differently. I look forward to the days of a united grading system

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:31 PM   #34
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We mix honey, apple juice, orange juice etc. from all sorts of countries (mostly china and brazil) but not maple sirops

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:34 PM   #35
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the grading now is a bit different. But the syrup is the same. Different grades are simply given different names by the Canadian gov't or the US gov't.

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:37 PM   #36
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it's like saying the names of coffee sizes are different at Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts, but in reality it's just the names of the sizes that are different.

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:37 PM   #37
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Do you think the dna in the sap gets destroyed in the cooking process

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:38 PM   #38
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Do you think the dna in the sap gets destroyed in the cooking process
LOL

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:49 PM   #39
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I an serious. There are always qualities that differentiate materials. Maybe salts and nutrients also could be measured and used. George from the oboard told me that he was involved in a class action suit about chinese honey and the filtering of pollen from it so that it could be sold as american

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 09:51 PM   #40
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it's like saying the names of coffee sizes are different at Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts, but in reality it's just the names of the sizes that are different.
I looked it up and starbutts' small is 12 oz and DD's is 10 oz

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:01 PM   #41
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fuck off bon you know what i meant

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:02 PM   #42
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on a workday I'll just eat a fiber bar or whatever, but this is a beautiful breakfast for a weekend

http://ethnicfoodsrus.com/wp-content...z-San-Juan.jpg

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:03 PM   #43
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I dig how in the UK they basically add beans to that.

toast with jam is good too

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:08 PM   #44
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also replace OJ and coffee with diet coke or better yet brunch cocktail

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:08 PM   #45
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and put syrup on goddam everythign

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:10 PM   #46
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I could go for a pancake breakfast too.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f27c11e4e2.jpg

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:14 PM   #47
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I dig how in the UK they basically add beans to that.

toast with jam is good too
here is a proper Scottish breakfast I ate once in Fort William

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4x...=w1121-h631-no

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:16 PM   #48
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we just have the best weather conditions for production of maple syrup.

6$ a can of 540ml (unless you buy at tourist traps)

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:18 PM   #49
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some of the latest studies on metabolism show that people who live active lives burn the same number of calories per day as people who are sedentary. While it's healthy to be active, it's not activity in the long term that causes weight loss. People who lead active lives, like hunter gatherers, burn the same number of calories every day as someone sitting in an office chair.

What that means is that weight loss is almost all based on controlling calorie intake.
or maybe not at all based on calorie intake, but rather on what exactly you are eating and how your body is able to process it

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:22 PM   #50
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on a workday I'll just eat a fiber bar or whatever, but this is a beautiful breakfast for a weekend

http://ethnicfoodsrus.com/wp-content...z-San-Juan.jpg
ain't a decent breakfast if you ain't abusin' at least 6 different types of animals, amirite?







yeah sorry i'm being that vegan

that is unnecessary though imho

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:29 PM   #51
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or maybe not at all based on calorie intake, but rather on what exactly you are eating and how your body is able to process it
no. i can tell you from a lifetime of experience and from what i've read of recent research. What you eat makes little difference. Calories are calories. what happens is that your body works hard to spend a certain number of calories. If you move less it burns calories internally on different bodily functions. If you are more physically active it diverts calorie burn to your muscles.

WHAT you eat will definitely have an impact on your health. But in terms of calories and caloric burn it makes no difference.

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 10:37 PM   #52
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Herman Pontzer has been doing some really ingenious studies on this. they have new ways to measure a person's exact caloric burn and he's used it to study hunter gatherers and compare them to people living in the modern West.

There's a very good article on his work in Scientific American this month. The entire article isn't available online though.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-out-in-space/

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Many people I know (including members of my family) feel exercise is a time-consuming, unpleasant chore, and they dread it. The need to change into other clothes, to frequently take a block of time out of busy lives, and to get dirty and fatigued: they find it all unappealing. But I've always enjoyed the hard work and even the satisfaction of earning the next day's sore muscles. And I indulged myself with a slight sense of pride in knowing not only that I was helping the biological machinery that promotes health but also that I got a nice side benefit of being able to eat cookies because I'd burned extra calories.
Wrong. Or, at least, not entirely right. As science shows over and over again, our intuitive notions about how things work often don't stand up in the face of data and careful analysis. The benefits of exercise are a case in point. In this issue's cover story, “The Exercise Paradox,” anthropologist Herman Pontzer describes a surprising and fascinating result of evolution: humans burn about the same number of calories regardless of activity level.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...rcise-paradox/

 
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But in terms of calories and caloric burn it makes no difference.
that sounds redundant. you were talking about weight there...

 
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i'm sorry, i don't have access to those articles in whole... do they support in any way your claim that weight control is all about calorie intake?

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:29 PM   #55
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I an serious. There are always qualities that differentiate materials. Maybe salts and nutrients also could be measured and used. George from the oboard told me that he was involved in a class action suit about chinese honey and the filtering of pollen from it so that it could be sold as american
the honey issue is not analogous to American/Canadian maple syrup grading. Chinese honey in the past has been found to contain sugar syrup and other similar products. It's adulterated. There's also been some serious cases of contaminates that are health concerns.

edit. I've been in both the honey and syrup businesses in the past, which included both domestic and imported products. There have been similar problems with imported Chinese peanut butter, apple juice, etc etc. Globally there's a big problem right now with adulterated olive oil. Or if not adulterated simple fraud over it's point of origin.

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Old 02-09-2017, 11:31 PM   #56
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that sounds redundant. you were talking about weight there...
your body burns about the same number of calories no matter what you eat or how active you are.

If you eat more than that you gain weight. Eat less you lose weight. But having an active life doesn't mean you burn more

 
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your body burns about the same number of calories no matter what you eat or how active you are.

If you eat more than that you gain weight. Eat less you lose weight. But having an active life doesn't mean you burn more
it seems like you're trying to induce a conclusion out of that premise that i just don't see as evident

 
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so calorie burn is unrelated to exercice

how do you derive from that statement that weight loss is 100% related to calorie intake?

 
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Old 02-09-2017, 11:45 PM   #60
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so calorie burn is unrelated to exercice

how do you derive from that statement that weight loss is 100% related to calorie intake?
you can't gain weight if you don't eat more than your body burns. If you eat less than your body burns you lose weight.

I'm only trying to simplify and restate the current science. And i don't see what the fuck you don't understand. people who sit on their asses burn 2600 calories per day. People who hunt animals all day burn 2600 calories. if you want to lose weight focus on your caloric intake.

I suggest if you're interested that you start with the Pontzer research. The Scientific American article is out now.

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