Can "Teargarden by Kaleidyscope" ever rank as a decent SP album?

werideatdusk · 12-07-2015, 05:18 AM

i edited together all the songs that dont make me nauseous and i think i may have something.

the compilation opens with quasar and astral planes, to get the juices flowing. the lysergic cult is meeting up in someone's basement! stay in the blissful aquarian 90s for a song or two. then the hits keep coming, from your favorite power pop group Elk Grove Village ever produced. Yes, the solo in Song for a Son is one of Corgan's best. Diggin the 70s country flavor in the back half. Stevie Nicks winks on. Then a nicely rejiggered Hummer cover followed by the least offensive ukelele song this guy ever played.

look, the fact is, the old smashing pumpkins is equally dorky to the new stuff. youre all dorks. you all fucking suck.

01 Quasar
02 Astral Planes
03 Freak
04 Panopticon
05 The Celestials
06 Monuments
07 A Stitch In Time
08 Violet Rays
09 A Song for a Son
10 Drum and Fife
11 Pale Horse
12 Tiberius
13 Pinwheels
14 Inkless
15 Cottonwood Symphony

suck my fat one, fucktards

Cool As Ice Cream · 12-07-2015, 06:02 AM

hey why don't you start your own band and then you can release all your songs in the order you like

if you're not a real fan, then why are you even here?

werideatdusk · 07:02 AM

stop pooh pooing my life's work

Ram27 · 12-07-2015, 10:52 AM

lol

to answer your original question: take live versions of A Song for a Son, Owata, One and All, and Drum and Fife with Jimmy C and put them on an EP with Pinwheels

semi-decent release right there

i mean it'd still be the worst but it'd be a more respectable last

themadcaplaughs · 12-07-2015, 11:21 AM

Starting with "Quasar" and "Astral Planes" does not bode well.

run2pee · 12-07-2015, 11:49 AM

No Tom Tom on there?? Fuckin the Celestials but no Tom Tom??

T&T · 12-07-2015, 01:09 PM

these are the only ones I can stand to listen to
and no order of them would make a good album.

Quote:

A Song for a Son
Cottonwood Symphony
Violet Rays
One Diamond, One Heart
Pinwheels
Pale Horse
Being Beige

NovaFritz · 12-07-2015, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T&T

these are the only ones I can stand to listen to
and no order of them would make a good album.

So you promote his most saccharine new songs and his suicide? you are a strange one.

DemonUnicorns · 12-07-2015, 02:26 PM

Violet Rays is actually good.

themadcaplaughs · 12-07-2015, 03:33 PM

If I chose one song off of each "section" of Teargarden it would be...

-Lightning Strikes
-Inkless
-Tiberius

None of these songs are absolutely perfect, but are the style and quality of songs I would have expected Billy to write under the Smashing Pumpkins name when he announced he was using it again in 2005.

FoolofaTook · 12-07-2015, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by werideatdusk

look, the fact is, the old smashing pumpkins is equally dorky to the new stuff. youre all dorks. you all fucking suck.

http://www.photosled.com/data/500/yo...please-die.jpg

sjpaterra · 12-07-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Run To Me

No Tom Tom on there?? Fuckin the Celestials but no Tom Tom??

without tom tom, this hypothetical album is absolute shit.

werideatdusk · 12-07-2015, 05:01 PM

ok i'm won over on Tom Tom. it's a good bridge between violet rays and song for a son, establishing that 70s classic rock feel.

cutting panopticon for now. that song used to do a lot for me but i've realized the melody is really lacking...

Cool As Ice Cream · 12-07-2015, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by werideatdusk

ok i'm won over on Tom Tom. it's a good bridge between violet rays and song for a son, establishing that 70s classic rock feel.

cutting panopticon for now. that song used to do a lot for me but i've realized the melody is really lacking...

thanks for letting us know!

werideatdusk · 12-07-2015, 06:40 PM

Lightning Strikes is great but pretty similar to a lot of TbK songs in terms of tone. Unfortunate that Billy keeps writing pop single type songs and has apparently completely abandoned epic compositions after 2008.

KissesandNoise · 12-07-2015, 07:03 PM

It's not really an album and it never was finished so I don't think so.

This nonsense about Oceania and Monuments being albums in the "Teargarden cycle" is crap. Teargarden was abandoned. When journalists and bloggers mention that to him in interviews they're misinformed and I think Billiam sees it as a convenient excuse to not discuss abandoning a project.

werideatdusk · 12-07-2015, 09:36 PM

BC actively pushed that MTAE is part of it. I think the next album will be 10-12 tracks so that it'll all add up to 44 and he will claim it was all the grand plan of getting back to something.

myosis · 12-07-2015, 10:11 PM

no one will care

redbreegull · 12-07-2015, 10:35 PM

no, basically. The better half of Oceania and a smattering of the best other songs might make something as good as TheFutureEmbrace.

werideatdusk · 12-08-2015, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

Starting with "Quasar" and "Astral Planes" does not bode well.

that was bait on some level.

i do really like the psychedelic side of the new SP, it just doesnt reconcile well with corgan's drive to make everything a squeaky clean single.

redbreegull · 12-08-2015, 05:32 AM

I don't get the Quasar hate. If the drummer didn't suck and the vocals/lyrics weren't unbelievably stupid, it would be a real thrasher.

Butt Pope · 12-08-2015, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjpaterra

without tom tom, this hypothetical album is absolute shit.

This

Butt Pope · 12-08-2015, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I don't get the Quasar hate. If the drummer didn't suck and the vocals/lyrics weren't unbelievably stupid, it would be a real thrasher.

Lol

T&T · 12-08-2015, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I don't get the Quasar hate. If the drummer didn't suck and the vocals/lyrics weren't unbelievably stupid, it would be a real thrasher.

so you're saying if it didn't have the sucky parts it'd be a great song?
gotcha.

zbeast78 · 12-08-2015, 04:51 PM

The answer is no

DemonUnicorns · 12-08-2015, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T&T

so you're saying if it didn't have the sucky parts it'd be a great song?
gotcha.

But not every song would be good w/o sucky parts. Quasar does have a good foundation.

fuzzyroes · 12-08-2015, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KissesandNoise

It's not really an album and it never was finished so I don't think so.

This nonsense about Oceania and Monuments being albums in the "Teargarden cycle" is crap. Teargarden was abandoned. When journalists and bloggers mention that to him in interviews they're misinformed and I think Billiam sees it as a convenient excuse to not discuss abandoning a project.

This

Teargarden to me ends with EP #2, or perhaps Owata. The concept was to release songs for free and then package the songs in an elaborate way for purchase. He officially jumped ship when he decided to release Oceania

Jelly Blossom · 12-09-2015, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

This

Teargarden to me ends with EP #2, or perhaps Owata. The concept was to release songs for free and then package the songs in an elaborate way for purchase. He officially jumped ship when he decided to release Oceania

It's funny that this has clearly been the case since 2011 or so and yet fans still ignorantly cling to the idea that the Teargarden project is still alive and well.

Billy directly avoided the question when being interviewed by Howard Stern earlier this year.

See @ approximately 2:12

FoolofaTook · 12-09-2015, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbreegull

...something as good as TheFutureEmbrace.

lol thats a good one

killtrocity · 12-09-2015, 04:31 PM

Can this kid who looks like b0lly ever be separated from the TBK of film

?

12-07-2015, 05:18 AM	#1
werideatdusk Ownz Location: The o-board in my pants Posts: 930	Can "Teargarden by Kaleidyscope" ever rank as a decent SP album? i edited together all the songs that dont make me nauseous and i think i may have something. the compilation opens with quasar and astral planes, to get the juices flowing. the lysergic cult is meeting up in someone's basement! stay in the blissful aquarian 90s for a song or two. then the hits keep coming, from your favorite power pop group Elk Grove Village ever produced. Yes, the solo in Song for a Son is one of Corgan's best. Diggin the 70s country flavor in the back half. Stevie Nicks winks on. Then a nicely rejiggered Hummer cover followed by the least offensive ukelele song this guy ever played. look, the fact is, the old smashing pumpkins is equally dorky to the new stuff. youre all dorks. you all fucking suck. 01 Quasar 02 Astral Planes 03 Freak 04 Panopticon 05 The Celestials 06 Monuments 07 A Stitch In Time 08 Violet Rays 09 A Song for a Son 10 Drum and Fife 11 Pale Horse 12 Tiberius 13 Pinwheels 14 Inkless 15 Cottonwood Symphony suck my fat one, fucktards

12-07-2015, 06:38 AM	#3
werideatdusk Ownz Location: The o-board in my pants Posts: 930	stop pooh pooing my life's work Last edited by werideatdusk : 12-07-2015 at 07:02 AM.

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12-07-2015, 06:02 AM	#2
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	hey why don't you start your own band and then you can release all your songs in the order you like if you're not a real fan, then why are you even here?

12-07-2015, 10:52 AM	#4
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,369	lol to answer your original question: take live versions of A Song for a Son, Owata, One and All, and Drum and Fife with Jimmy C and put them on an EP with Pinwheels semi-decent release right there i mean it'd still be the worst but it'd be a more respectable last

12-07-2015, 11:21 AM	#5
themadcaplaughs Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,628	Starting with "Quasar" and "Astral Planes" does not bode well.

12-07-2015, 11:49 AM	#6
run2pee Minion of Satan Location: An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom Posts: 7,755	No Tom Tom on there?? Fuckin the Celestials but no Tom Tom??

12-07-2015, 02:26 PM	#9
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	Violet Rays is actually good.

12-07-2015, 03:33 PM	#10
themadcaplaughs Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,628	If I chose one song off of each "section" of Teargarden it would be... -Lightning Strikes -Inkless -Tiberius None of these songs are absolutely perfect, but are the style and quality of songs I would have expected Billy to write under the Smashing Pumpkins name when he announced he was using it again in 2005.

12-07-2015, 05:01 PM	#13
werideatdusk Ownz Location: The o-board in my pants Posts: 930	ok i'm won over on Tom Tom. it's a good bridge between violet rays and song for a son, establishing that 70s classic rock feel. cutting panopticon for now. that song used to do a lot for me but i've realized the melody is really lacking...

12-07-2015, 06:40 PM	#15
werideatdusk Ownz Location: The o-board in my pants Posts: 930	Lightning Strikes is great but pretty similar to a lot of TbK songs in terms of tone. Unfortunate that Billy keeps writing pop single type songs and has apparently completely abandoned epic compositions after 2008.

12-07-2015, 07:03 PM	#16
KissesandNoise Banned Location: I want a walk-in humidor! Posts: 410	It's not really an album and it never was finished so I don't think so. This nonsense about Oceania and Monuments being albums in the "Teargarden cycle" is crap. Teargarden was abandoned. When journalists and bloggers mention that to him in interviews they're misinformed and I think Billiam sees it as a convenient excuse to not discuss abandoning a project.

12-07-2015, 09:36 PM	#17
werideatdusk Ownz Location: The o-board in my pants Posts: 930	BC actively pushed that MTAE is part of it. I think the next album will be 10-12 tracks so that it'll all add up to 44 and he will claim it was all the grand plan of getting back to something.

12-07-2015, 10:11 PM	#18
myosis Minion of Satan Location: the institute Posts: 6,421	no one will care

12-07-2015, 10:35 PM	#19
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,754	no, basically. The better half of Oceania and a smattering of the best other songs might make something as good as TheFutureEmbrace.

12-08-2015, 05:32 AM	#21
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,754	I don't get the Quasar hate. If the drummer didn't suck and the vocals/lyrics weren't unbelievably stupid, it would be a real thrasher.

12-08-2015, 04:51 PM	#25
zbeast78 Ownz Posts: 806	The answer is no

12-09-2015, 04:31 PM	#30
killtrocity Saturday Night Goth Location: POLLOS Posts: 9,207	Can this kid who looks like b0lly ever be separated from the TBK of film ?