D'arcy's first interview in 20 years with Alternative Nation is up!.

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by devi ever

This is exactly how I feel as well. It's really disturbing to me how little people are talking about stories of abuse towards women in the rock side of the music industry.

I feel like if this same story was breaking in Hollywood, it'd have a lot more repercussions for Billy and co, and a lot more support for D'arcy.

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... and to get it out of the way, yes this is the real devi, and I'm sorry for my antagonistic behavior long ago here on the forums, and in general. I still think Billy is a scumbag, but I definitely didn't do myself many favors back in the day with how often I was picking fights with people, so once again, my apologies.

abuse toward women? are you kidding? billy seems to be abusive towards pretty much everybody. d'arcy herself says she gave as good as she got until she eventually had enough. please don't try and make this something it isn't.

[Try Try Give Up]

I’m a new member, longtime reader. To save anyone the trouble of suspicion, I’m not a plant from either camp and my mother would never let me live in her basement. She doesn’t even have a basement, IIRC.

As for the offending photo, D’arcy looks more like Layne Staley in it than the D’arcy I remember. Which only goes to show that she should be valued and appreciated for still being alive, not humiliated or belittled for her struggles. A few from that era have passed on recently.

Unfortunately, D’arcy hasn’t done herself any favours over the past few weeks and can't blame Billy or anyone else if they now sever all ties. Between her abuse of his trust by leaking those texts and his supposed smear campaign in retaliation, if they couldn’t see eye to eye before, they're back to where they were after the split now.

It’s a shame because at no point did I ever think D’arcy would be part of the band again for all the reasons and rumours that are well known. To hear that she came so close is what’s sad about this.

The Steven Adler comparison rings true. Nobody thought he could play well enough, everyone thought he was a fuck up who couldn’t be relied on. For his part, he kept his mouth shut, turned up to some GNR shows, played immaculately and left to applause with his head held high.

For this tour at least that’s what D’arcy should have done and what was on the table. Prove the doubters wrong and at least have some closure. Regardless of what you think Billy’s motives were, I really think he did offer her the best deal for her own personal redemption. And then if she emulated what Adler did and wasn’t asked back anyway, that’s when she could have done the interview and shut down the talk of her being the problem.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by Try Try Give Up

I’m a new member, longtime reader. To save anyone the trouble of suspicion, I’m not a plant from either camp and my mother would never let me live in her basement. She doesn’t even have a basement, IIRC.

As for the offending photo, D’arcy looks more like Layne Staley in it than the D’arcy I remember. Which only goes to show that she should be valued and appreciated for still being alive, not humiliated or belittled for her struggles. A few from that era have passed on recently.

Unfortunately, D’arcy hasn’t done herself any favours over the past few weeks and can't blame Billy or anyone else if they now sever all ties. Between her abuse of his trust by leaking those texts and his supposed smear campaign in retaliation, if they couldn’t see eye to eye before, they're back to where they were after the split now.

It’s a shame because at no point did I ever think D’arcy would be part of the band again for all the reasons and rumours that are well known. To hear that she came so close is what’s sad about this.

The Steven Adler comparison rings true. Nobody thought he could play well enough, everyone thought he was a fuck up who couldn’t be relied on. For his part, he kept his mouth shut, turned up to some GNR shows, played immaculately and left to applause with his head held high.

For this tour at least that’s what D’arcy should have done and what was on the table. Prove the doubters wrong and at least have some closure. Regardless of what you think Billy’s motives were, I really think he did offer her the best deal for her own personal redemption. And then if she emulated what Adler did and wasn’t asked back anyway, that’s when she could have done the interview and shut down the talk of her being the problem.

Disagree.

The best thing for the music, for Billy's rep, for the band, would've been to just wait until everyone was free, meet and just jam. Do a smaller tour. Build a relevant album. D'arcy has a degree in music, right? If she was able to voice an opinion and steer Billy at all then that was definitely a contributing factor to the original music. And frankly, Billy is an absolute state these days. He as no sense of what material to edit, no real passion for it anymore. His lyrics are dire. Ogilala was somewhat a step in the right direction at least.
He's also, based on numerous sources throughout his career, an egotistical narcissist and bully. He has no respect for "fans", they’re just “kids buying tshirts”. Actually, Netphoria are the best fans he has - why? Because they are intelligent, informed and honest. And for that he says they aren't fans. Because they don't buy into and support his delusion of grandeur. He literally withholds material to spite Netphoria.

Whenever I hear a reasonable sounding interview with BC at least I'll know it's fake. And the real him is the antagonistic, dumb-right wing character he wheels out on Infowars etc.

[Disarmu]

Originally Posted by Try Try Give Up

I’m a new member, longtime reader. To save anyone the trouble of suspicion, I’m not a plant from either camp and my mother would never let me live in her basement. She doesn’t even have a basement, IIRC.

As for the offending photo, D’arcy looks more like Layne Staley in it than the D’arcy I remember. Which only goes to show that she should be valued and appreciated for still being alive, not humiliated or belittled for her struggles. A few from that era have passed on recently.

Unfortunately, D’arcy hasn’t done herself any favours over the past few weeks and can't blame Billy or anyone else if they now sever all ties. Between her abuse of his trust by leaking those texts and his supposed smear campaign in retaliation, if they couldn’t see eye to eye before, they're back to where they were after the split now.

It’s a shame because at no point did I ever think D’arcy would be part of the band again for all the reasons and rumours that are well known. To hear that she came so close is what’s sad about this.

The Steven Adler comparison rings true. Nobody thought he could play well enough, everyone thought he was a fuck up who couldn’t be relied on. For his part, he kept his mouth shut, turned up to some GNR shows, played immaculately and left to applause with his head held high.

For this tour at least that’s what D’arcy should have done and what was on the table. Prove the doubters wrong and at least have some closure. Regardless of what you think Billy’s motives were, I really think he did offer her the best deal for her own personal redemption. And then if she emulated what Adler did and wasn’t asked back anyway, that’s when she could have done the interview and shut down the talk of her being the problem.

Stop talking sence. This forum is only for hysterial conspiracy theorists who believe that Billy will eventually kill and eat their families. He preys on the mentally ill hes a real sicko! Darcy is a role model for all of us and her actions are not to be questioned. She should have been given artistic control over the entire new tour and future music. Dont u know shes classically trained!!

[themadcaplaughs]

To all of those whining and saying "why did she stick around for so long," I think she answers that question:

"Almost nobody ever has that, if you’ve seen The Princess Bride where they talk about one couple in ten lifetimes doesn’t get the shot at true love. Almost nobody ever finds people, that when we would jam, and we would click, it was just magic. The feeling was just amazing, that’s a better drug than anything. Music has always been a drug for me."

For all the shit she had to put up with Billy, I am sure the artistic heights they achieved felt fantastic. And yes, to anyone who doubted, D'arcy was a 1/4 part of that success no matter what she did or did not play on albums.

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

To all of those whining and saying "why did she stick around for so long," I think she answers that question:

"Almost nobody ever has that, if you’ve seen The Princess Bride where they talk about one couple in ten lifetimes doesn’t get the shot at true love. Almost nobody ever finds people, that when we would jam, and we would click, it was just magic. The feeling was just amazing, that’s a better drug than anything. Music has always been a drug for me."

For all the shit she had to put up with Billy, I am sure the artistic heights they achieved felt fantastic. And yes, to anyone who doubted, D'arcy was a 1/4 part of that success no matter what she did or did not play on albums.

Crosby Stills Nash and Young all hated each other eventually but they kept coming together because they loved the music they made so much. I'm sure it was the same thing. Imagine being in the Smashing Pumpkins, and liking the Smashing Pumpkins. You'd want to do it all the time, and you'd put up with the BS.

[whywontyoulistn]

Originally Posted by Woody

And frankly, Billy is an absolute state these days. He as no sense of what material to edit, no real passion for it anymore. His lyrics are dire. Ogilala was somewhat a step in the right direction at least.

He also still has no idea what made the band so great, as evidenced by this overblown arena tour with Broadway visuals, "pressure", and 3-guitar supershoegaze alignment™. People just want to see the 4 members on stage playing the hits in a regular theatre/club. That's all it takes. That's all it needs.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Disarmu

Stop talking sence. This forum is only for hysterial conspiracy theorists who believe that Billy will eventually kill and eat their families.

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[Ram27]

Originally Posted by whywontyoulistn

He also still has no idea what made the band so great, as evidenced by this overblown arena tour with Broadway visuals, "pressure", and 3-guitar supershoegaze alignment™. People just want to see the 4 members on stage playing the hits in a regular theatre/club. That's all it takes. That's all it needs.

+++++++++++

Fucking exactly.

Problem is, he doesn't care. He doesn't want that, he wants a quick cash grab arena bullshit for people who like 1979. There's a text to D'arcy where he basically admits that

[eyeboogers]

one and all?

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Try Try Give Up

The Steven Adler comparison rings true. Nobody thought he could play well enough, everyone thought he was a fuck up who couldn’t be relied on. For his part, he kept his mouth shut, turned up to some GNR shows, played immaculately and left to applause with his head held high.

???

Of course they knew he could still play well enough.

Here's a video from 2015 for example:

[Gooch]

as Bolly said once before, "just cash the check, just cash the check"....

[Corgan's Bluff]

Any informations why D'ARCY'S official Facebook site is down since a few days?

[whywontyoulistn]

Originally Posted by Corgan's Bluff

There's nothing bright in a fallen angel

Asshole. Nobody wanted to see that D'arcy picture.

[WeilandFan]

She had some technical error with her Facebook or something, said it froze up on her. She isn't super techy.

She also said the hacking last month really did happen, and it was unrelated to the Blast Echo thing, though she did want the first Blast Echo thing to be briefly removed so a change could be made to the article.

[spumpernickel]

Originally Posted by RenewRevive

i get what you're saying but believe me there's plenty of assholes and nutcases wandering around who aren't famous.

re: the interview. a lot of what she says has the ring of truth, but it is coming from one side, just like all the shitty comments billy has aimed at her and james over the years. never does the person making the statements admit to being in the wrong at all. the truth will be likely somewhere in between, away from each extreme position.

the texts: it's a partial leak, clearly. the only solid things i can get from it is that d'arcy wanted (on some level) to be part of things, as in a real band environment and is fearful of being sidelined. billy looks like he has major doubts as to how reliable she would be. rather than having an adult meeting or at least phone conversation they communicate like this. now, whether this was down to d'arcy avoiding a face-to-face is tough to say. i can't believe that corgan had no intent of her being involved, at least initially. they hadn't spoken directly since 1999, so there was no reason to do so now unless he was genuine about it.

the leaked pic: shitty from this mancow guy (never heard of him). it was presumably taken to show the evidence of the assault so how has it made it online? a hack or a leak? what's the intent? we've seen the plastic surgery, worse pictures of her are out there. if it's come from billy or via him then it's a real low-blow and own goal also.

this all went south pretty fast.

oh certainly i know there are plenty of pathological etc. people who are not famous. it just seems like in billy's case, all the attention and having to manage expectations on such a big scale probably exacerbates all his insecurities and everything. so i think if he truly doesn't give a shit and just wants to make a bunch of $, that is probably healthier for him, although perhaps worse for fans.

true about all the comments being one sided. i don't think it's that terribly hard to glean a sense of the truth between all the lines if you've watched the band over time. i can't remember a time when some info came out about the band dynamics that seemed totally unbelievable. i believe that billy genuinely wants relationships and animosity resolved, and simultaneously recognizes that james and d'arcy being there would be good for business. i can see her feeling used by that and undoubtedly he could have done more to make her feel well about it, which would have been good even from purely a cold strategic standpoint

[brothahi4L]

I get the impression that darcy has real problems (drugs?) - and therefore the SP wouldn´t do a tour with her. Would you?

A tour is pure stress and pressure. You must be healthy in any way to get through.


OH Guys:

http://ajournalofmusicalthings.com/c...eirder-oh-yes/

[Skradgee]

Originally Posted by eviltimeban

Crosby Stills Nash and Young all hated each other eventually but they kept coming together because they loved the music they made so much. I'm sure it was the same thing. Imagine being in the Smashing Pumpkins, and liking the Smashing Pumpkins. You'd want to do it all the time, and you'd put up with the BS.

I Missed Being in a Band, So I Started Dating Five People Who Hate Each Other
http://thehardtimes.net/hardstyle/mi...e-people-hate/

[whywontyoulistn]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

I get the impression that darcy has real problems (drugs?) - and therefore the SP wouldn´t do a tour with her. Would you?

A tour is pure stress and pressure. You must be healthy in any way to get through.

Jimmy "has" drug problems, and heart disease, wanna leave him at home too? Maybe it would be better to wheel him out to play tambourine on one or two songs.

OH Guys:

http://ajournalofmusicalthings.com/c...eirder-oh-yes/

When I read that I instantly associated "coloma" with the bag people collect shit in when they've had their bowel removed...I can't for the life of me think what the actual name for it is.

[Gooch]

People online, Ive been seeing, are reporting this as "the first SP tour in 18 years". Which is what the casual unTRo0 fan might say. However, anyoen can do a simple search online, and it shows that "the smashing pumpkins" have been touring consistently over the past 18 years. Go search on setlist.fm to see the setlists of "the SP". Shows like the ones with Marilyn Manson were billed as, "MM and the SP". So people saw that and they still didn't draw huge crowds. So this tour is promoted as a reunion, and its all a marketing gimmick. Thats the truth of it. How they think they can fill arenas with casual fans is a mystery to me. Especially when they were putting tickets up on groupon and cancelling shows recently. They were still "SP" then, promoting it as "The Sp"and still coudnlt draw a crowd. Most people dont realize the members and the drama inside the band. A lot of people thought the girl in the group was DArcy and the asian guy was James. Casual fans didnt know it wasnt the original lineup and they still went and it didnt matter Or didnt go, because they were struggling to sell tickets to small venues. I know 2 people casual fans that saw them with MM and had no idea of all the drama, breakups, etc. they just thought they were going to see "The SP." It was a nostalgia act then, for those 2 people, and Im sure others in the audience. They didnt know even who the people in the band were besides BC, and they didnt care. So this may sell some seats for untroo fans wanting to hear the hits, but thats about it. In 96 people were leaving shows early because they didnt recognize songs, didnt like the long jams, silverfuck, TAFH, etc. I saw it myself. They cant do that on this tour, or people will not like it. They should go in, play 12 hits and leave and everyone would be happy. Except us, the tru fans. And do the math...in a large city, there may be what, 1-2000 true fans. and then maybe 4-7000 casual fans? I cant see more than that, otherwise they would have sold out the 3000 seat places they were playing over the past few years. And demand would have been way higher on stubhub for those tix. It wasnt. So I cant see mathematically how this will go down, to fill 22000+ seat arenas. Also, BC/SP has a strong community of people online like us who hang on to every last word he says and every note he plays. He has repeatedly been unaccommodating to the Tro0 fans, by arguing and threatening and 'dissing' us over the years. He has done more to tarnish the SP brand than anyone, and he did it to himself. He still has a rabid fan base that would love more demos, unreleased, new music, etc and he doesn't want to accommodate them, and then gets annoyed at them for wanting more or not wanting what he is giving. How many times did he say over the years, even with Zeitgeist recording sessions, "ohh that sounds too much like SP, we need to change it". And then get mad at people for not liking it or supporting it. I personally don't feel the need to shell out $ to sit all the way up in the nosebleeds at a huge arena too only see them on the jumbotron cuz they are too far way to see them, to hear 1979 today and bwbw again for the umpteenth time. Yeah if they tied this in with a Machina reissue, or something else for the tro0 fans, but this on its own is just anti-climactic. James will be phoning it in, and competing with Jeff, Jimmy and BC we've seen before, but their hearts arent in to it, IMHO. Its just a cash grab, because they are appealing to the casual audience, who are being duped into thinking its a SP reunion, who just want to hear the rat in a cage song, and will talk and text throughout TAFH, SIYL or To Sheila. I must say that 75% plus of people there will be casual fans who dont know any better. Nothing further will come out of this, just a tour and then 'nice to see ya'. Thats my 2 cents.

[whywontyoulistn]

Dude, paragraphs.

[emilem]

the only people calling it a reunion tour are press and fans. sp is pretty chill about it, probably due to d'arcy fiasco. i think they want to cover their asses in case it ever works out and they can make even more money with a proper reunion.

[brothahi4L]

I cant find the horrible photo of darcy. CAn someone send me the link, please?

[whywontyoulistn]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

I cant find the horrible photo of darcy. CAn someone send me the link, please?

Here ya go: http://www.monteit.com/darcywasted.jpg

[brothahi4L]

Quote: " People online, Ive been seeing, are reporting this as "the first SP tour in 18 years". Which is what the casual unTRo0 fan might say. However, anyoen can do a simple search online, and it shows that "the smashing pumpkins" have been touring consistently over the past 18 years. Go search on setlist.fm to see the setlists of "the SP". Shows like the ones with Marilyn Manson were billed as, "MM and the SP". So people saw that and they still didn't draw huge crowds. So this tour is promoted as a reunion, and its all a marketing gimmick. Thats the truth of it. How they think they can fill arenas with casual fans is a mystery to me. Especially when they were putting tickets up on groupon and cancelling shows recently. They were still "SP" then, promoting it as "The Sp"and still coudnlt draw a crowd. Most people dont realize the members and the drama inside the band. A lot of people thought the girl in the group was DArcy and the asian guy was James. Casual fans didnt know it wasnt the original lineup and they still went and it didnt matter Or didnt go, because they were struggling to sell tickets to small venues. I know 2 people casual fans that saw them with MM and had no idea of all the drama, breakups, etc. they just thought they were going to see "The SP." It was a nostalgia act then, for those 2 people, and Im sure others in the audience. They didnt know even who the people in the band were besides BC, and they didnt care. So this may sell some seats for untroo fans wanting to hear the hits, but thats about it. In 96 people were leaving shows early because they didnt recognize songs, didnt like the long jams, silverfuck, TAFH, etc. I saw it myself. They cant do that on this tour, or people will not like it. They should go in, play 12 hits and leave and everyone would be happy. Except us, the tru fans. And do the math...in a large city, there may be what, 1-2000 true fans. and then maybe 4-7000 casual fans? I cant see more than that, otherwise they would have sold out the 3000 seat places they were playing over the past few years. And demand would have been way higher on stubhub for those tix. It wasnt. So I cant see mathematically how this will go down, to fill 22000+ seat arenas.



True that!

I´ve been to Munich some years ago: In the olympic hall there were maybe 600 people, really disappointing - and billy spit all over the stage several times - disgusting - behaving unfriendly to the audience - sorry SP were big, and now just a mediocre band

[brothahi4L]

thanks for the link!

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

I´ve

ARE YOU TESTING ME

[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by whywontyoulistn

Asshole. Nobody wanted to see that D'arcy picture.

Don't put things out of context. This was a reference to the posted tour poster:




And that fallen angel is/was an old man.

[whywontyoulistn]

[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

Quote: " People online, Ive been seeing, are reporting this as "the first SP tour in 18 years". Which is what the casual unTRo0 fan might say. However, anyoen can do a simple search online, and it shows that "the smashing pumpkins" have been touring consistently over the past 18 years. Go search on setlist.fm to see the setlists of "the SP". Shows like the ones with Marilyn Manson were billed as, "MM and the SP". So people saw that and they still didn't draw huge crowds. So this tour is promoted as a reunion, and its all a marketing gimmick. Thats the truth of it. How they think they can fill arenas with casual fans is a mystery to me. Especially when they were putting tickets up on groupon and cancelling shows recently. They were still "SP" then, promoting it as "The Sp"and still coudnlt draw a crowd. Most people dont realize the members and the drama inside the band. A lot of people thought the girl in the group was DArcy and the asian guy was James. Casual fans didnt know it wasnt the original lineup and they still went and it didnt matter Or didnt go, because they were struggling to sell tickets to small venues. I know 2 people casual fans that saw them with MM and had no idea of all the drama, breakups, etc. they just thought they were going to see "The SP." It was a nostalgia act then, for those 2 people, and Im sure others in the audience. They didnt know even who the people in the band were besides BC, and they didnt care. So this may sell some seats for untroo fans wanting to hear the hits, but thats about it. In 96 people were leaving shows early because they didnt recognize songs, didnt like the long jams, silverfuck, TAFH, etc. I saw it myself. They cant do that on this tour, or people will not like it. They should go in, play 12 hits and leave and everyone would be happy. Except us, the tru fans. And do the math...in a large city, there may be what, 1-2000 true fans. and then maybe 4-7000 casual fans? I cant see more than that, otherwise they would have sold out the 3000 seat places they were playing over the past few years. And demand would have been way higher on stubhub for those tix. It wasnt. So I cant see mathematically how this will go down, to fill 22000+ seat arenas.



True that!

I´ve been to Munich some years ago: In the olympic hall there were maybe 600 people, really disappointing - and billy spit all over the stage several times - disgusting - behaving unfriendly to the audience - sorry SP were big, and now just a mediocre band

Must have been then ten years ago in Munich: 2008/02/21. Only 600 people already at the Zeitgeist reunion?