I'm listening to MTAE for the first time

[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

As much courage as it took to deem a track on the album "one of the good ones," I somehow doubt this response meant what you think it did

His answer was three "o"s too long...

[Mals Marola]

Corgan's Bluff you are more curious than the god damn Masheena Mystery itself...

[Mals Marola]

so, anybody goin see Bohemian Rhapsody 2nite?

[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Corgan's Bluff you are more curious than the god damn Masheena Mystery itself...

...Noooo

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Such as?

I can't really think of any in the original run of the band... Unless you count some of the more ironic takes like Today and Perfect.

mayonaise
luna
tonight tonight
muzzle
beautiful
wound
autumn nocturne

etc

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Woody

Ogilala is significantly better than the other two fwiw. Might want to start with it work down.

I don't understand this view point. Ogilala bores me to tears. I listened to it 3 times and nothing about it interests me at all.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

mayonaise
luna
tonight tonight
muzzle
beautiful
wound
autumn nocturne

etc

Like Mals was saying, those songs are bittersweet and all have elements of sadness and depression... Completely different vibe from his purposely positive music.

[reprise85]

ok so they aren't pure happiness in a bottle (except autumn nocturne), but they are uplifting songs. so what are we arguing about again?

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Tbh I've long since accepted the Billy of the post-Machina era as a different being altogether than the one responsible for the songs you mentioned. If I went in lookin for a new Hummer or Porcelina I'd prob be deeply disappointed as well. Compared to Oceania & Zeitgeist tho? S'alright

to me, Monuments is much, much worse than either Zeitgeist or Oceania.

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I don't understand this view point. Ogilala bores me to tears. I listened to it 3 times and nothing about it interests me at all.

you are still listening to 90s alt rock and cheesy 80s metal as your primary thing tho, so

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Like Mals was saying, those songs are bittersweet and all have elements of sadness and depression... Completely different vibe from his purposely positive music.

how is Luna not a happy song

[redbreegull]

I also don't really hear Corgan's newer music being "happy" in its uber-vanilla God is cool la la la la la ohh ohh ohh approach to songwriting and utterly bland, hollow delivery. It just feels like music that is about nothing. Like music made by some guy trying to say something profound but who actually does not even have emotions or something. it's more like "dead inside", than happy.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

you are still listening to 90s alt rock and cheesy 80s metal as your primary thing tho, so

Not true, little guy.

And plus, Luna's one of the weakest songs on S.D... No way in hell it's one of Billy's better songs.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I also don't really hear Corgan's newer music being "happy" in its uber-vanilla God is cool la la la la la ohh ohh ohh approach to songwriting and utterly bland, hollow delivery. It just feels like music that is about nothing. Like music made by some guy trying to say something profound but who actually does not even have emotions or something. it's more like "dead inside", than happy.

It's all music based in positivity... That's the fulcrum behind why the music isn't as good.

He's made a cognizant effort to avoid writing depressing music... It started with Zwan... But even Zwan seems dark compared to a lot of his newer work.

[fuzzyroes]

Oceania has a few exceptions I guess (Violet Rays is the one song that jumps out... which is probably why it's one of the better reformation tracks), but he doesn't make angry or depressing music anymore, that much is a fact.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

And plus, Luna's one of the weakest songs on S.D... No way in hell it's one of Billy's better songs.

ah, the old say something completely irrelevant and act like it's a good point routine

[fuzzyroes]

Pay attention to the thread... You're not focusing. You're jumping in randomly and hollering opinions but you're missing the context of the conversation.

Reprise said that Billy had written a lot of good happy songs, and I asked her to name some... Most of the songs she named I wouldn't consider happy... Luna arguably would be the one that is the most so, but it's one of the shittiest songs of the era, so it doesn't help her argument any.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by reprise85

he can and has written good happy songs

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Such as?

I can't really think of any in the original run of the band... Unless you count some of the more ironic takes like Today and Perfect.

fuzzy you are just being an idiot. quit while you're ahead for once. you've now painted yourself into a corner where the only way what you are saying makes sense is if one of your premises is that "Luna is not a good song"

which is LUNAcy

[FoolofaTook]

and luna most def is a good song

[FoolofaTook]

the second verse picks up and soars yo. god i love that song. def get a pre-mcis vibe from it.

[redbreegull]

of course we are talking to the dude who comes to bat for Monuments For an Effigy

[FoolofaTook]

lol LUNAcy

i just got it

LOL

[fuzzyroes]

Ehhh, it's always been a song I skip a lot...

It's definitely better than his new positive music, that much is obvious.

I just don't think it's a niche that Billy does well and he's been on record several times over the years saying it's a cognizant effort to only make art based in "light".

[FoolofaTook]

i picked some mushrooms that kinda look like psilocybin cubensis. posted images on the shroomery messageboard. hopefully someone confirms that they are good.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

lol LUNAcy

i just got it

LOL

Lol what's wrong with you guys?

I read in the gen forums where some guy ONLY NOW was recognizing the "poor Selina" trope.

[FoolofaTook]

fuck dude said they aren't

well i could always just eat them and take the risk...

[FoolofaTook]

...or not.

[redbreegull]

poor selena

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-conten...uintanilla.jpg

[D.]

Originally Posted by Woody

Ogilala is significantly better than the other two fwiw. Might want to start with it work down.

I was thinking this, too.

I also want to give Z another chance. I actually liked about half of it when it came out. (Still think For God and Country was 1000% better acoustic-based than the album version. That was a BIG miss on Bill's part.)

[D.]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Tbh I've long since accepted the Billy of the post-Machina era as a different being altogether than the one responsible for the songs you mentioned. If I went in lookin for a new Hummer or Porcelina I'd prob be deeply disappointed as well. Compared to Oceania & Zeitgeist tho? S'alright

In my dream world, Billy would have used a different moniker for his music 2007 on and I would be 100% okay with letting it just be that. Putting the SP name on it is one of his biggest blunders.

I get that other bands switch members and retain the name but SP isn't other bands.

[MonumentsRocks]

Originally Posted by D.

In my dream world, Billy would have used a different moniker for his music 2007 on and I would be 100% okay with letting it just be that.

Just pretend he did use a different moniker. The music will magically sound better.

[D.]

Originally Posted by reprise85

ok so they aren't pure happiness in a bottle (except autumn nocturne), but they are uplifting songs. so what are we arguing about again?

It's hard for me to sit back and judge SP 88-00 music on whether it was "happy" or not because the songs made me happy. I always took his lyrics as abstract and I was able to put my feelings into them and make them mean what I wanted them to mean.