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fair enough
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04-28-2018, 09:58 PM | #63 |
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04-28-2018, 10:33 PM | #64 |
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Why is Fuzzy so dumb?
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04-28-2018, 10:34 PM | #65 |
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He's so dumb, it's disturbing.
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04-28-2018, 10:43 PM | #66 |
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It creates a dilemma between embarking on futile attempts to educate him, and allowing his idiocy to go on unchallenged
I feel like arguing with him just makes me stupider. Like, it's probably only dulling our argumentative and logical faculties to have as a chief interlocutor somebody of his level of rhetorical sophistication. |
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04-28-2018, 11:18 PM | #67 |
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you guys honestly cannot stop yourselves from doing this ad infinitum, can't you?
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04-28-2018, 11:32 PM | #68 | |
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04-28-2018, 11:37 PM | #69 |
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It's a bit like sparring for an upcoming MMA bout with Sealo.
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04-28-2018, 11:39 PM | #70 |
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the kindness regime would like fuzzy to submit to the F-Scale Test
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Essentially what happened was that he was pissed off that the medical industry was ignoring his work and he felt that it wasn't getting the attention that it deserved, so starting a religion was a way to really put a focus and benefit from what he thought was groundbreaking therapy. Obviously he then made some shit up for his religion to make it more "religiony" and that's not ethical. He's obviously flawed, but still a compelling and intriguing figure nonetheless. |
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04-29-2018, 04:55 PM | #74 |
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Did you feel better about yourself after this incredibly insulting display?
A little tip from me, it's better to keep feelings like that that you have about people to yourself. Sometimes I'll be out and about and I'll come across people and be thinking to myself "god, is that person ever fucking stupid" but I never actually make a point of starting a display in an attempt to make them feel bad. It's a futile effort, my friend. I hope you gain more self esteem in the future in order to avoid these insulting outbursts. |
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04-29-2018, 05:22 PM | #78 |
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Yeah, it's detailed in the book Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright. He's a Pulitzer surprise winner, so I reckon his word is legit. It's actually quite a great book, I'd highly recommend checking it out (even though I'm only halfway through it lol).
They also talk about it in the HBO documentary of the same name (Going Clear), which is also fantastic and a must-see. |
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04-29-2018, 05:24 PM | #79 |
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Reprise, I just checked for you and they have the documentary on Youtube. If you haven't seen it before, I think you'll really enjoy it
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04-29-2018, 05:29 PM | #80 |
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The documentary film kinda bungles the story though. They act as if Dianetics was written to be a religion, but the religion didn't come along until much later once the dianetics therapy had lost steam.
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There is a lot about the history of psychology and especially clinical psychology that you are discounting with this argument, but your basic reasoning flaw is hindsight bias. OF COURSE lobotomies look barbaric; but at the time, if the choice was lobotomy or 24/7 restraints for the rest of someone's life, you might see how it could be better for the patient and the hospital to try desperate measures. This was what lobotomies were supposed to be for - last resort patients. This isn't how they were used all the time, but it wasn't an epidemic of lobotomies, either. ECT is the same story except not as extreme. ECT works for a lot of people, and it worked a lot back then. Especially before modern antidepressants, ECT was a miracle for many people especially those with major depression with psychotic features. So your second logical flaw is comparing apples to oranges; no one who was sick enough to be eligible for a lobotomy or ECT would have been healthy enough to greatly improve by talk therapy in general, and those who could improve from that kind of talk therapy were not the kind of people who needed lobotomies or ECT. Quote:
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04-29-2018, 05:33 PM | #82 |
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I've seen going clear and it's about how fucked up Scientology is. I can't watch your link because it's blocked in the USA but I do not remember it being kind to LRH. It is much more brutal to the people still alive who are in leadership positions though. Who of course deserve it.
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Hubbard did genuinely believe in what he's doing and that thought he solved the ills of mental illness. He'd continuously use the e-meter and audit himself. He wouldn't do that if he thought he was scamming everyone. He definitely did wanna make money off of his methods though, that's unquestionable, but he felt he was justified in doing so. |
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04-29-2018, 06:01 PM | #84 |
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I don't mean to seem like I'm praising L Ron Hubbard or something. Clearly he was a pretty fucked up guy in a lot of ways, but he was also quite a brilliant man too.
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04-29-2018, 06:34 PM | #85 |
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what's your take on brigham young
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04-29-2018, 07:01 PM | #86 |
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The school? Don't know much about it other than their sports programs.
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04-29-2018, 09:08 PM | #87 |
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you think this is a game?
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04-29-2018, 09:48 PM | #89 |
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He's not a threat. I'm sure that charisma, or at least some measure of basic social awareness, is necessary to form a personality cult.
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