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04-28-2012, 09:11 AM | #181 |
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oh good lord!
When i talked about a couple of New Zealanders living in Australia, I was talking about my son and me. duovamp's just trying to defend that drunk blond girl from the picture I think. I think it hurts her hotness value if she's actually being offensive and trashy. Maybe...I dunno. I don't go for slutty blondes, myself...so I can't tell lol. |
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04-28-2012, 09:13 AM | #182 | |
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and intent matters legally but not as much as result. also this is not a trial. and yeah, free speech. ok? i'm not saying these people should be arrested. |
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04-28-2012, 09:15 AM | #183 |
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Oh I wouldn't say that dumb bitch is being respectful or considerate. I'm just bothered by the blanket statements I'm seeing that limit people's dress to their own cultures or heritage. I don't think how you dress yourself is morally right or wrong depending on your ancestry. So I'm not defending her, per se, but the rights of other non-Native Americans to wear their ceremonial dress based on legitimate reasons. It felt like people here were saying there were no legitimate reasons to dress like that, ever. I think it can be okay in some rare instances. Unlike blackface.
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04-28-2012, 09:19 AM | #184 |
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it's one thing to think something "looks neat" and beautiful and another to make a mockery of it.
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04-28-2012, 09:21 AM | #185 | |
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of course, you could say: isn't it obvious that those feather head dresses originate from native americans? yes but isn't that a really stupid simplification in itself, since probably (i'm no expert) not all native american tribes used it? and doesn't its meaning vary depending on space and time? culture simply isn't that static. but if somebody told me i'm being offensive by wearing that thing i might still consider laying it aside. |
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04-28-2012, 09:24 AM | #186 | |
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I'm Native yet you'll never see me dressing up like these people are. I don't run around with "war paint" and feathers in my hair, and I don't wear buckskin and fringed crap. I don't even own a pair of moccasins that I wear leisurely. People on the rez do not dress like that unless they are in ceremony. why is this so difficult for people to understand? Non Native: I wear the indian headdress and feathers cause I appreciate indians and their stuff is cool. Native: Please don't do that, because it's offensive to me. Non Native: Nah, I respect your culture and like your stuff too much to listen to what you have to say. |
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04-28-2012, 09:27 AM | #187 |
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Sorry. Regalia. I meant regalia moreso than costume.
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04-28-2012, 09:29 AM | #188 |
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It's kinda like wearing a fake military uniform with medals and stripes that you didn't earn. People who wear that stuff on their uniform have lived through some terrible brutal shit and making out like you deserve to wear something like that just because you think it looks neat. I mean it's just naf.
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04-28-2012, 09:31 AM | #189 |
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And like when rich people wear denim.
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04-28-2012, 09:34 AM | #190 |
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someone posted this earlier but now I can't find it..... thanks for the laugh
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04-28-2012, 02:03 PM | #191 |
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Guys
GUYS I wear a mass-produced Siddhartha necklace thing... Am I being offensive to Buddhists? Last edited by D. : 04-28-2012 at 02:09 PM. |
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04-28-2012, 02:11 PM | #192 |
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when i used to leave my home i had a sombrero and a poncho. no one cared.
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04-28-2012, 02:19 PM | #193 |
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04-28-2012, 02:24 PM | #194 |
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excuse me charmbag but it's spelled Florence + the Machine
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04-28-2012, 02:27 PM | #195 |
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now that i know this stuff is religious in nature i'm totally fine with wearing it and i'm in fact fine with wearing it specifically to mock it
hitchens lives on in my hatred, my alcoholism, my womanizing ways death envelops us all i suffocate |
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04-28-2012, 04:18 PM | #196 |
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haha u guys
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04-28-2012, 05:42 PM | #197 | |
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04-28-2012, 05:53 PM | #198 |
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have u ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon?
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04-28-2012, 06:41 PM | #199 |
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04-28-2012, 06:49 PM | #200 |
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04-28-2012, 07:15 PM | #201 |
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this one is better |
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04-28-2012, 07:40 PM | #202 |
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04-28-2012, 07:42 PM | #203 |
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Man, you should've seen what he said earlier about how no majority can ever be ostracized by definition. It's what made me lol so hard before.
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04-28-2012, 07:48 PM | #204 |
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cultural oppression and marginalization should be confronted and acknowledged, that excessive subdividing of culture is ultimately a harmful thing because what is true the world over is that the haves have dominion over the have nots be they white, chinese, indian, or whatever.
also i think it's weird that people who would make fun of western religious cultural hokum without batting an eye would protect the religious cultural hokum of oppressed minorities Last edited by Trotskilicious : 04-28-2012 at 08:42 PM. |
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04-28-2012, 09:24 PM | #205 |
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In what meaningful way have I created an exception? I'm assuming you think it's cultural appropriation of the rastafarianism, which.... I don't know what to say to that. Ask any anthropologist and they'll tell you it's probably the oldest hairstyle in human history. Cavemen had them for chrissake. As did ancient egyptians, the vikings, buddhists, hindus. Rastafarianism is simply one instance of where dreads are an expression of faith. Though the term "dread lock" is originally a rasta thing.
You dig at me for assuming you're dumb when you say dumb shit like this. |
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04-28-2012, 09:25 PM | #206 | |
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Now buzz off, adults are talking. |
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04-28-2012, 10:08 PM | #207 |
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Now buzz off, adults are talking.
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04-28-2012, 10:15 PM | #208 |
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04-28-2012, 10:20 PM | #209 |
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basically what i'm getting at is that i don't really think white people dressing like movie indians is worth protecting, and that in essence this is about mockery of culture which is wrong, but i am saying i like to make fun of the customs and rituals of the catholic church, and western religion in general
and i can't really think of a justification of how it's different than making fun of indigenous religious ritual further, if you were just you wouldn't mock any culture i'd also like to point out that i consistently make a point to label the removal of indians from their land as genocide, and that the reservations are basically minimum security concentration camps |
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04-28-2012, 10:23 PM | #210 |
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Christians aren't oppressed.
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