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02-11-2015, 03:38 AM | #151 |
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02-11-2015, 03:39 AM | #152 |
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you could construct a post-punk song on a programming grid a hell of a lot more easily than you could something from kind of blue, or honestly probably any big jazz record
and not just because of changes in time-signatures or whatever, just general spontaneity & dynamics of expression & whatnot jazz for the most comes off like the (usually) instrumental equivalent of stream-of-consciousness writing or something |
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02-11-2015, 03:44 AM | #153 |
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yes absolutely that last sentance all the way, at least the improve miles davis kind of school
there's also the meticulously arranged duke ellington side of thangs |
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02-11-2015, 03:47 AM | #154 |
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Yes because Jazz is really complex theory pushed to its limit as said before so it sounds that way.
I'm struggling to find another metaphor for this |
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02-11-2015, 03:48 AM | #155 |
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I agree though that Miles Davis type stuff is the way to go and I can dig it
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02-11-2015, 03:48 AM | #156 |
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i was listening to ella fitzgerald and louie armstrong yesterday, just so fucking great
it's a blend maybe between being improvisational and yet very structured and song-based |
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02-11-2015, 04:23 AM | #157 | |
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can't you just deal with the fact that maybe even though on paper this stuff is complex it's really just the irrational feelings of a coupla individuals who are just laying their hearts out through their instruments? jesus fucking christ i'm done here, call me if you need me, but i won't be happy! |
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02-11-2015, 04:29 AM | #158 |
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i mean in theory they're doing this stuff but how is that any more mathematical than it is literary, just because they're not using words as lyrics or whatever
moreover what in the absolute fuck does it matter, i don't even remember how anyone got here! |
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02-11-2015, 04:30 AM | #159 |
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Why don't the Chili peppers get more love here?
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02-11-2015, 04:31 AM | #160 |
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02-11-2015, 04:34 AM | #161 |
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It doesn't matter I guess
I wouldn't say it's any more or less literary than the Blues or Classical. idk But something like Punk or Hip-Hop is much more literary in that it's trying to express ideas through music the way authors try to express ideas through novels. There are elements like humor and politics that you would normally associate with books. |
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02-11-2015, 04:39 AM | #162 |
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so what, you're just talking literally about the use of words? i thought this was more "x genre is the equivalent of literature" or some other such shit, all of which is kind of ridiculous in the end
i mean nobody's gonna argue that math rock makes use of general mathematics, for one, lol but i 'onno this all got a little too heady for me, i need a nap |
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02-11-2015, 06:24 AM | #163 |
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02-11-2015, 06:27 AM | #164 |
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02-11-2015, 06:32 AM | #165 |
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A lot of the most famous jazz artists didn't understand theory and performed in a more off the cuff, jam-band writing style.
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02-11-2015, 06:36 AM | #166 |
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This. The jazz guys are all about improvisation. It's not like they're sitting down trying to come up with some complex theory just for the sake of it.
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02-11-2015, 06:51 AM | #167 | |
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you are a high school dropout you often spout word salad you have zero knowledge you can't even talk about music without sounding stupid the terms you use are frequently incorrect you have no appreciation for history you often make false associations you can't identify certain bands and still act like you know all about them you can't write a song to save your life your band sucks and you play all those instruments badly one day you are going to have to come to terms with the fact that you are willfully stupid and uneducated |
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02-11-2015, 06:53 AM | #168 |
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02-11-2015, 07:13 AM | #169 |
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A large majority of Bowies back-catalog is absolute bloated garbage. I find even his most popular tracks a little underwhelming.
Little China girl? Gimme a break. |
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02-11-2015, 07:20 AM | #170 | ||
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Lets be real, thinking kinda sucks. It creates doubt, you start to see the strings. Much easier to be ignorant; see voltaire Quote:
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02-11-2015, 07:24 AM | #171 |
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lets take fuzzyroses for example, it's clear he reacts by instinct and doesn't really sit down and think about anything. He seems resistant to learning new things, on account of the fact that he thinks he knows everything (because he's a "musician"). Entertainment is pretty much the only thing he wants from music, as he tells us "it's just music, nothing to take seriously" he doesn't want music to be challenging or thought provoking until the mainstream approves (dino jr, pixies, sonic youth) long after their sound ceases to be provocative or challenging. Yet, he sees himself as intellectual equals with anyone, he is convinced he has something to contribute, he doesn't believe even a high school education is worth anything even though by his own admission he's stuck in neutral, he doesn't have the good sense enough not to be arrogant or relentlessly self assured. it's quite remarkable really.
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02-11-2015, 07:33 AM | #172 |
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I don't know why you think a high school education is a great thing of merit. It really isn't. You need it to conform to societal standards but you don't really learn a whole lot that's worth knowing.
Canadian history? Talk about some of the most boring, pointless drivel you'll ever have to learn. Math? You only need to know the basic necessities in the day and age of Google. Science? Some good stuff in there, but a lot of shit that I couldn't care less about. English? some good stuff again but then you get forced into evaluating pieces of literature that have been beaten into the ground to death that I couldn't care less about. It's all a sham man. High School has no baring on ones intelligence. |
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02-11-2015, 07:34 AM | #173 |
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stop posting
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02-11-2015, 07:35 AM | #174 |
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P.E. and Band class were pretty cool though. Tourism and Film class were also pretty boss.
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02-11-2015, 07:36 AM | #175 |
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02-11-2015, 08:31 AM | #176 |
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Jesus fucking christ I don't even know where to start with this post. But for starters, of course his singles/big hits aren't going to represent the best of his work and even if you were taking him purely on the quality of his "most popular tracks" there's gotta be a dozen Bowie songs better loved than Little China Girl, and all of them are better songs.
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02-11-2015, 08:33 AM | #177 |
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Sorry, I just don't understand the appreciation. I've listened to his catalog. Theres a lot of throwaway filler on there.
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02-11-2015, 08:35 AM | #178 |
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all music is math
rhcp is the musical equivalent of a division by zero |
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02-11-2015, 08:37 AM | #179 |
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and iggy's version of china girl is pretty good
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02-11-2015, 08:37 AM | #180 | |
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"There's a lot of throwaway filler [in Bowie's Catalog]" - yeah no shit dude, there's a lot of throwaway filler in Nick Cave's entire catalogue because much like bowie he's been at it >30 years and he's released upwards of 15 albums. Of course it's not all going to be solid gold. Doesn't make cave anything less than one of the greatest songwriters and lyricists of the last three decades. |
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