Putting Billy Corgan's career in context...

[MyOneAndOnly]

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[Mals Marola]

it's just his opinion fellas jeez

4:13's alright, hardly the worst thing put out by a good band & i'll defend s/t 'til the bitter, fucking end

so there y'are

cure still a viable hit-making machine in 2014!

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

Now that it has been revealed morespoon only likes the absolutely terrible phase of the cure, there is no use even discussing the topic of this thread further.

[Elphenor]

4:13 is okay and all, I can dig it but when you're listing it over shit like 17 Seconds you need to stop

[Mals Marola]

17 seconds is a fuckin transitional record at best, even i'd put 4:13 over that one
at least name something like pornography where they really "came out swinging" or whatev

[Elphenor]

I can't even

[Mals Marola]

then don't










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[Elphenor]

I mean, all the originals including Three Imaginary Boys are league's above 4:13.

Like almost every band they had a peak

[Elphenor]

17 Seconds is their best album though

[Mals Marola]

i 'on really care though if someone prefers later cure i don't think they deserve the kinda reactions spoon-lover got

i'm a "later-period cure apologist," in a sense, see, i need to see to these things

[Elphenor]

Disintegration comes second and Pornography and Faith are about tied

[Elphenor]

Robert's voice has held up incredibly well though and even improved in some regards

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

17 Seconds is their best album though

now yer just on the other side of what people were bashing spoon for

then again i've heard people say 3 imaginary was their best and that just sorta paints them as non-cure fans full stop, in my mind

[Mals Marola]

it's understandable to be like "why prefer 4:13 to disintegration?" when they were kinda revisiting that sort of approach on it, but to use the limp-dick predecessor to faith & pornography/before they came into their own is just arbitrary as shit

then again if you don't like main-cure that much don't like main-cure!

[Elphenor]

"limp-dick predecessor"

Yeah, no.

[Elphenor]

17 Seconds IS main Cure as far as I'm concerned

Three Imaginary Boys is the album where you can say "They hadn't found their identity yet"

But 17 Seconds is the fucking Cure being The Cure with that gothy chorus effect and those dreary synths and the drum machine style beats and the pop hooks mixed with experimentation

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

"limp-dick predecessor"

Yeah, no.

yeah, YEAH

it's the sound of a band about to "come into their own" but still sorta flailing & meandering a bit with pointless "atmospheric" shit to fill the space & practically inaudible vocals

it's an alright record but not nearly strong enough to be the one of choice when trying to talk down post-disintegration cure or whatever

[Elphenor]

No it's not see above post.

17 Seconds is The Cure unadulterated

[Elphenor]

But hey if you can't feel that one, I can only feel sorry for you

All their albums up to a certain point are A+ anyway.

The Top is underrated imo

[Mals Marola]

they may have been a different band on 3ib but at least they were committed to it

17 seconds is like a broken frame or any other classic "sophomore slump" type record that isn't quite that shitty because they were trying new things, but it's still painfully, painfully obvious they took the same sorta thing and bested it on even the very next record

the cure may have been using "cool chorus effects" or whatever the fuck on that album, but aside from the 2 singles they were basically hiding behind that faux-joy-division-with-some-can-records-in-our-collection sound, complete with "spooky" piano filler cos we're not entirely sure what direction we're going in & well, it's atmospheric!

[Elphenor]

I think you also tried to tell me New Order is better than Joy Division who were "Coming into their own" so I guess I see a theme here

[Mals Marola]

yeah, you're obsessed with "post-punk" to a fault

we're all aware

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

But hey if you can't feel that one, I can only feel sorry for you

All their albums up to a certain point are A+ anyway.

The Top is underrated imo

i "feel it" it's just a stupid one to hold as yer figurative cure bible & try and tell someone they're "wrong" about

it's an alright record from a band that improved upon it immensely, no matter what angle you're coming from

the top is underrated, or maybe just overlooked

[Elphenor]

Why are you putting "atmosphere" in quotations like that. There are songs on there that are purposefully atmospheric, yes. And the album forms a cohesive atmosphere, yes.

But there's also plenty of pop

[Elphenor]

You're not saying that you don't like it as much, you called me out and tried to tell me it wasn't legit Cure, buddy

[Mals Marola]

because it's gimmicky in a way they really weren't before or after

like some kind of diversion effect from the fact that outside of the forest & play for today the songs weren't all that great

[morespsoon]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

now yer just on the other side of what people were bashing spoon for

then again i've heard people say 3 imaginary was their best and that just sorta paints them as non-cure fans full stop, in my mind

Thanks for defending me but I must point out that my username is "More SP Soon", there is no spoon.


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[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

because it's gimmicky in a way they really weren't before or after

like some kind of diversion effect from the fact that outside of the forest & play for today the songs weren't all that great

Except for:

M, In Your House, At Night, Secrets

All fantastic songs.

[Elphenor]

All the Cure albums have a "gimmick" in that they have a cohesive feel to them

Faith is VERY atmospheric and so is Pornography, it's kind of a major element of their sound

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

You're not saying that you don't like it as much, you called me out and tried to tell me it wasn't legit Cure, buddy

when did i ever try to deny this, jesus

your first comment on the matter was faulting someone for liking an alleged "post-peak" cure record over a pre-peak one, it's arbitrary as shit and naturally i'm going to highlight the album's faults to dispel the notion the band could never do better or whatever