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Old 11-05-2014, 10:45 AM   #31
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I don't want to be negative, but I don't think Billy can make decent melodies anymore.
This is also Corgan 2014 material. And to me, it's better than MTAE. Yet it was an album outtake when Howard decided it's shite, and then made it back on the list for DfN.
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One and All isn't that bad, but I can't listen to these lyrics. We are we are so young... are we now.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:47 AM   #32
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Listening for the second time...his vocals def sound better. It is catchy but a bit generic. Feel like what is really missing is a melt your face off solo. I hear hints of Weezer with the simple pop song noodling going on.

6.5/10

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:47 AM   #33
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i like this more than Beige but i'm getting major Zeitgeist vibes from both. seems like a regression after finding his way a bit with Oceania.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:49 AM   #34
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I don't want to be negative, but I don't think Billy can make decent melodies anymore.
yeah, they always feel like an afterthought now. that'd be fine if he were going the shoegaze route (future) or using more leads/being guitar centric, but when he's trying to be song-y i really, really don't get it.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:51 AM   #35
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Better than Beige.

Guitars are mostly fine, I like them though have to say lead guitar is a bit boring at times.
Drumming to me doesn't feel to mesh quite right with it, especially around the 1:20 mark. Lee's drumming is obviously better than anything we would have got from Byrne, but naturally I feel if this had JC behind the drums it would have taken the song to another level, far above. If he ever comes back into the fray I'd like to see what he could do with this song.

Lyrics, uninspired as everything else since Zeitgeist but I never had any hopes for them.
Vox, yeah not too bad, getting better I'd say.
Jimmy is the only one who can really find the groove in Billy's songs and elevate the songs with his parts.



What bothers me about this song is that it doesn't really have a catchy riff that just hooks you when you listen. It's just sort of lots of chords layered on there. I couldn't tell you what the melody is after listening, just like with BB

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:53 AM   #36
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being beige was the drizzling shits, this is more of a solid stool

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:53 AM   #37
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Cool guitar tone, cool riff, better vocal mix, some really nice parts - but uninspired. Some old school Pumpkins lead of a bit of emotion in the vocals could have remedied that.
The vocals sounded incredibly out of place. I think that's just a problem with Billy's new singing style and how it clashes with his songwriting.

For ZG they tried to remedy it by mixing the vox loud, which sucked, so now they're mixing it quiet, and it still kinda sucks

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:55 AM   #38
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This is also Corgan 2014 material. And to me, it's better than MTAE. Yet it was an album outtake when Howard decided it's shite, and then made it back on the list for DfN.
(Burnt Orange Black no vox, instrumental parts only)
https://www.sendspace.com/file/zn8njt


One and All isn't that bad, but I can't listen to these lyrics. We are we are so young... are we now.
How'd you get this? Is this from the Ravina show?

Someone tell Howard he's a jackass.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:56 AM   #39
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How'd you get this? Is this from the Ravina show?
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i like this more than Beige but i'm getting major Zeitgeist vibes from both. seems like a regression after finding his way a bit with Oceania.
same here.

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Old 11-05-2014, 10:58 AM   #40
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I'm about 1 minute in, and it's pretty fuckin' rad!!

Two funbags up! (oYo)

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:59 AM   #41
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Better, but still bland and completely forgettable, guess I'm moving on to hoping that DFN is going to be interesting(AKA setting myself up for disappointment).

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I don't think Billy can make decent melodies anymore.
Exactly, that and he's forgotten that a good song needs space. To paraphrase BB King, 'The notes you don't play are just as important as the notes you do' At some point Billy's music became a meandering string of notes with no direction or feeling, like he thinks he has to cram something into every nook and cranny of a song.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:01 AM   #42
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I don't want to be negative, but I don't think Billy can make decent melodies anymore.
Then don't be negative.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:07 AM   #43
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Both of these songs have some pep... I'm glad the album will at least be somewhat energetic. His singing is just waaaay too affected though. I wonder if we'll have some Oceania nostalgia in the next few years similar to how people are warming up to Zeitgeist now? And then we'll all be in line for the Monuments to an Elegy reissue in 2020

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:08 AM   #44
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You literally can't please some of you people. No matter what kinda song. If Day For Night is really experimental, you still won't respect it. Pathetic

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:08 AM   #45
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This doesn't make my ears bleed so it's not as bad as Being Billy.

But it's super fucking generic.

William is becoming a good commercial song writer. Would go good in a car commercial.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:10 AM   #46
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Don't know why y'all are so critical, I like it quite a bit. It's got that extra something that's been missing from the past few Pumpkins albums. It might be his vocals, honestly. It reminds me of Queens of the Stone Age. I like the guitars.

Also, there's no "love" in the song is there?

I liked Oceania though, so my opinion is moot.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:10 AM   #47
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:11 AM   #48
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If this is the song with the SD vocal effect, he needs to do it way more. Fans are super positive about it, which is more than what they said about Beige. I mean, honestly, think about it, sure we've had Starz, but this is a really well-rounded song for the first time in a long time. His vocals have been my issue, not necessarily the vocals but their mixing, so I dig this song a lot. Also, I dig the guitar riff.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:14 AM   #49
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This is what I'm hearing the lyrics as:

I don't mind what you're running
Cuz you and me lead to something
Don't just hang what you're you're running on
I don't mind it's all alone for one and all

We are, we are so young
We're young, we're young
We're one and all


wtf

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:16 AM   #50
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I like it.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:18 AM   #51
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I like it. Cool groove on the guitar. Drums sound way better. Good stuff.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:19 AM   #52
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I like it.
I do too. I understand the criticisms of Being Beige because it's pretty bad in places, but this is pretty good SP2(or whatever the fuck they are now) material. With the exception of Doomsday Clock live and Tarantula on record, it's one of the best straight-forward rockers Corgan has made.

I think it's a much better song that Netphoria is giving credit for.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:23 AM   #53
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I do too. I understand the criticisms of Being Beige because it's pretty bad in places, but this is pretty good SP2(or whatever the fuck they are now) material. With the exception of Doomsday Clock live and Tarantula on record, it's one of the best straight-forward rockers Corgan has made.

I think it's a much better song that Netphoria is giving credit for.
What about FOL?

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:24 AM   #54
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that song does nothing for me.
It did to me, somewhere in the middle it reminded me of Europe band (the one of the Final Countdown hit)

I just can lol.

Not showing this to anyone ...again.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:25 AM   #55
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What about FOL?
FOL was a bad song with good vocals.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:25 AM   #56
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The mix is pretty darn good too!

Vocals aren't in your face
Guitars are huge
Drums are live and rocking

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:28 AM   #57
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The mix is pretty darn good too!

Vocals aren't in your face
Guitars are huge
Drums are live and rocking
That's what I'm saying. Really, the first Pumpkins song that doesn't have some bizarre mix in SP2, I think. I liked Oceania but even the rockers had some bizarre mixes.

I do have some criticisms that the song is pretty relentless, man, we need some dreaminess, some slow-downs. Pumpkins have been missing that. Geek USA chilled out and wasn't any the less ballsy.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:47 AM   #58
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[talkin' 'bout Starz]
Yeah this is it right here, it's Starz (and fuck it but I always really liked Starz) without the dynamics

That said it's not bad; it may grow on me, but it does feel rather plodding

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:50 AM   #59
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That's what I'm saying. Really, the first Pumpkins song that doesn't have some bizarre mix in SP2, I think. I liked Oceania but even the rockers had some bizarre mixes.

I do have some criticisms that the song is pretty relentless, man, we need some dreaminess, some slow-downs. Pumpkins have been missing that. Geek USA chilled out and wasn't any the less ballsy.
I think it's unfair to compare anything to Geek USA. It's such money.

I really just miss the riffs. Somewhere, sometime, Billy decided to go for more melodies than riffs and it's a waste. He needs to start writing better guitar parts again.

What I miss, is that there's no groove. At the end of geek you just instinctively bob your head to the groove. Maybe that's a Jimmy thing but there ain't no groove here.

 
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Old 11-05-2014, 11:54 AM   #60
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i like it, for what it's worth. vocs definitely sound pretty good, the guitar melody is okay, and drums are better than anything we've gotten since jimmy left. can't say I'm too disappointed with this.

 
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