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Old 07-25-2020, 05:40 PM   #31
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like an old man farting into the wind

 
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Old 07-25-2020, 06:37 PM   #32
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Actually a big part of their sound is based off the Mixolydian mode (think of the riffs in Starla, Drown, and 1979). What's interesting is that i read somewhere that when Billy was learning guitar he tried to emulate that "Cure sounding scale".
Huh. Is that what Ghosts (shiny in the middle, yeah) is in?

 
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Old 07-25-2020, 07:59 PM   #33
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Nova Fritz, you have a really negative attitude.


 
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Old 07-26-2020, 02:37 PM   #34
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- Wall of guitars
- Jazzy Chamberlin drumming
- Corgan's nasally voice

 
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:26 AM   #35
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- Wall of guitars
- Jazzy Chamberlin drumming
- Corgan's nasally voice
Wall of guitars is certainly not unique to SP. And the latter two, while distinctive, I don't think make them unique enough. Idiosyncratic vocals are a dime a dozen in rock bands. Also, this would imply that Adore isn't the SP sound b/c there is no JC. Which I am not disagreeing with, but it shows how difficult it is to assign them a sound, given that that album lacks both the walls of guitar and the JC drumming. So once again, it is just the SD sound, which is derivative.

 
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Old 07-28-2020, 08:44 AM   #36
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See what I mean?

 
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Old 07-28-2020, 10:28 AM   #37
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Wall of guitars is certainly not unique to SP. And the latter two, while distinctive, I don't think make them unique enough.
The "sound" itself is a combination of the three things, not just one or the other.

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Idiosyncratic vocals are a dime a dozen in rock bands.
Are you sure you know what idiosyncratic means?

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Also, this would imply that Adore isn't the SP sound b/c there is no JC.
That is a correct statement.

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Old 07-28-2020, 11:48 AM   #38
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Ballsy used to rely heavily on guitar octaves (Gish/SD/MCIS), but not sure if he continued on later albums. I stopped learning to play the songs after MCIS.

That's certainly a part of the sound combined with a deep, dialed up bass and fuzzy guitars with really cool feedback thrown in. And his effeminate, nasal vocals. Jimmy's drumming style too, but drumming ain't my thang, so I can't speak to it.

That's the sound I fell in love with and relate to. I understand Big Bald Bullet Bill not wanting to create that sound anymore as an artist, but I don't particularly like the Adore space, the Machina glassy metal, or the Zeitgeist tinny aesthetics. I can appreciate the new artistry, but the new "sounds" don't connect with me.

 
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Old 07-28-2020, 12:01 PM   #39
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The "sound" itself is a combination of the three things, not just one or the other.



Are you sure you know what idiosyncratic means?



That is a correct statement.
Are you sure you know what it means? Anyways, I donít see anything here beyond the typical SD is the SP sound thesis.

 
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Old 07-28-2020, 03:10 PM   #40
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Are you sure you know what it means?
If something is unique, then it's not a "dime a dozen", is it?

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Anyways, I don’t see anything here beyond the typical SD is the SP sound thesis.
That and Gish, and Pisces, and much of Mellon Collie, and much of Machina, and Oceania, etc.

 
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Old 07-28-2020, 03:21 PM   #41
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If something is unique, then it's not a "dime a dozen", is it?
not mutually exclusive. think of a bucket of marbles which, coincidentally, may also be a dime a dozen.

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Old 07-29-2020, 12:54 AM   #42
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SP, My Vitriol, and MBV are the only bands that just floor me with how amazing their sound is

i don't understand the constant need for uniqueness or innovation - I'd listen to 8 billion songs that are reminiscent of hummer or rocket or only shallow or under the wheels or ode to the red queen

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 02:41 AM   #43
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The only thing thats typically pumpkins is when you hear billo singing

There is no typical sp sound. Although i find belzebubs soloing recognizable

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:01 AM   #44
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If something is unique, then it's not a "dime a dozen", is it?
Wrong. My point is absolutely not that other vocalists sound like BC and therefore his signature nasal whine is "a dime a dozen." In rock music, many, if not most, vocalists have idiosyncratic voices. That is, they stand out from others. You can identify the band through the quality of the singers' vocals. This does not mean that they all sound the same. It means they all share the quality of being distinctive. Sort of like snowflakes. And in the "alt rock" category, most vocalists have idiosyncratic voices. Vedder, Corgan, Cobain: they are a dime a dozen. Toto, on the other hand, is the voice of studio conformity.

My original point was simply that having a unique vocal isn't enough to really give a band the long-lasting legacy of a unique sound, because there all sorts of similar sounding bands with different vocals. Unless you are in a cover band, bands that want to sound like SP don't start by finding a BC sound-alike. Also, I honestly don't hear much of the SD sound in MCIS. I think Jellybelly or Zero would sound pretty out of place on SD. Maybe Porcelina would fit, but they wrote that earlier, and the final product moves away from the quiet-loud dynamics of SD.

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:02 AM   #45
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Wrong. My point is absolutely not that other vocalists sound like BC and therefore his signature nasal whine is "a dime a dozen." In rock music, many, if not most, vocalists have idiosyncratic voices. That is, they stand out from others. You can identify the band through the quality of the singers' vocals. This does not mean that they all sound the same. It means they all share the quality of being distinctive. Sort of like snowflakes. And in the "alt rock" category, most vocalists have idiosyncratic voices. Vedder, Corgan, Cobain: they are a dime a dozen. Toto, on the other hand, is the voice of studio conformity.

My original point was simply that having a unique vocal isn't enough to really give a band the long-lasting legacy of a unique sound, because there all sorts of similar sounding bands with different vocals. Unless you are in a cover band, bands that want to sound like SP don't start by finding a BC sound-alike. Also, I honestly don't hear much of the SD sound in MCIS. I think Jellybelly or Zero would sound pretty out of place on SD. Maybe Porcelina would fit, but they wrote that earlier, and the final product moves away from the quiet-loud dynamics of SD.
lol

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:27 AM   #46
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lol, indeed

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 08:50 AM   #47
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Wrong. My point is absolutely not that other vocalists sound like BC and therefore his signature nasal whine is "a dime a dozen." In rock music, many, if not most, vocalists have idiosyncratic voices. That is, they stand out from others. You can identify the band through the quality of the singers' vocals. This does not mean that they all sound the same. It means they all share the quality of being distinctive. Sort of like snowflakes. And in the "alt rock" category, most vocalists have idiosyncratic voices. Vedder, Corgan, Cobain: they are a dime a dozen. Toto, on the other hand, is the voice of studio conformity.

My original point was simply that having a unique vocal isn't enough to really give a band the long-lasting legacy of a unique sound, because there all sorts of similar sounding bands with different vocals. Unless you are in a cover band, bands that want to sound like SP don't start by finding a BC sound-alike. Also, I honestly don't hear much of the SD sound in MCIS. I think Jellybelly or Zero would sound pretty out of place on SD. Maybe Porcelina would fit, but they wrote that earlier, and the final product moves away from the quiet-loud dynamics of SD.

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:22 AM   #48
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to be honest NovaFritz you seem to be getting hung up on SP not having hammered the same sound over everyone's heads for every album following SD. not every group has to be ACDC just to have an identifiable "sound," even if they do end up deviating from it fairly extensively - a better band from SP's era to have this discussion about would be Radiohead, imo, considering they essentially deviated & never looked back

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 03:03 PM   #49
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You know what else is a dime a dozen?

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 03:12 PM   #50
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Is this OP still asking about does sp has a sound? Didn’t like 5 or 10 of u jr scientists conclusively answer for this bunch on ninnys? Are we that bored of staying indoors? Ffs this is so dumb?

 
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Yeah I have a question

 
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questions are a dime a dozen

 
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You know what else is a dime a dozen?
http://www.dimeadozen.org/

 
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Old 07-29-2020, 03:31 PM   #54
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I think the correct answer is "gooches."

 
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Ahh, but do gooches have a sound???

 
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Not sure, but they definitely have a taste.

 
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Some might call it "briney".

 
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Betwixt scrote and hiney
lies a zesty, briney
gooch.

I gave its cresting middle
ridge just a nibble
and finished with a smooch!

 
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Shattering fast
I'm glass, I'm glass
I'm shattering fast
I'm glass, I'm glass
I'm shattering, shattering
Glass, glass, glass
I'm shattering fast
I'm glass, i'm glass

 
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