Zeitgeist in another nine years time. - Page 3

Andy / · 08-14-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pale_princess

zeitgeist in another 9 years = overflowing the $1 bin at used cd stores, all colors

people would have had to buy it in the first place for this to happen.

T&T · 08-15-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pale blue eyes

The bonus tracks would have been nice had there only been two versions of the album but there were like fifteen and it just seemed like a way to get more sales to me.

it's not fans or listeners that buy music anymore
it's the corporations
units shipped vs units sold.
and they all want their special editions if they're gonna order a skid of your cds

Luke de Spa · 08-15-2008, 08:32 AM

90s weezer : 00s weezer :: sp : sp2

green album : zeitgeist. sterile imitation of something that used to be good.

anyway, in nine years we'll be saying "well, at least it wasn't bill's make believe"

Shallowed · 08-16-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by T&T

US is a full jimmy blowout, the guy deserves a track after all these years. give him a trophy.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that all this time, there hasn't been one track that shows off Jimmy's playing?

Siva
Geek U.S.A.
Silverfuck
Jellybelly
Fuck You (An Ode to No One)
Glass and the Ghost Children
Lucky 13
Glass
Cash Car Star

Jimmy Chamberlain Complex???

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the "extra" tracks are a huge bonus that everyone seems to love the most
typical of billy/fan tension that we like the b-sides better

Zeitgeist is the only SP album where I like the b-sides more than the album in general.

stumpycat · 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastic Smile

I think Billy takes that as us not being able to not accept change (considering that is all he talks about), but that's not it at all..

Well, it's a bit reminiscent of the argument extreme Obama apologists make--that those who don't support him are simply "not able to accept change," while ignoring there may be some substantive issues for which they really don't feel Obama quite hits the mark for them. (Yes, while I feel Obama will be the best choice for many of the issues I feel are important--at least over the other guy--I can get and respect why some self-proclaimed democrats aren't quite comfortable wholeheartedly supporting him. But I digress.) I think the SP2 issue is a bit like that.

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I .... and this album is just.. boring.. it sounds okay, and the musical arrangements aren't bad, but it just doesn't feel like a pumpkins album at all..

Yes, I'm listening to Zeitgeist right now...and I'm kind of bobbing my head to some of them...they're generally, okay...kind of fun, I guess. I hear some good stuff buried in there, but then at the moment I'm thinking this to myself it gets spoilt by a moment or element in the music...that isn't so great.

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Originally Posted by IWishIWasBlank

I had just queued up Ascendo at work when I came upon your post.

I'm tripping balls and don't know what to do guys.

LOL, I love those hypnotic flash animations. This one is now fucking up my peripheral vision as I just stare at it, BTW. It's not really supposed to work like that! I wonder what would happen if I really did look at this thing when I was tripping balls...I wonder if the warping effect would cancel itself out, or just be unnoticeable? I should have tried that a couple of days ago.

rottenbroccoli · 08-17-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Gish08

Maybe within nine years there will be a better mix of Zeitgeist available.

And by mix, you mean color, right?

selection7 · 08-17-2008, 12:36 AM

To the OP. Adore was better received by the fans than Machina actually. It also got better reviews. It also sold better than Machina. Most of that was because it was coming off the heels of MCIS. It didn't sell nearly as well as it should have and it was so uncommercial and not aimed at the people who thought they liked the Pumpkins that it hurt their reputation/buzz for when Machina was released. Those people who "thought they liked the Pumpkins" are the population SP lost after Adore, leaving them with the core fans who were prepared for a very different album (it had to be different without Jimmy) and were relatively chill with it all.

There seems to be an odd number of newer fans who really like Adore but besides that I haven't noticed any resurgence in respect for Adore. There's absolutely no comparison between the negativity thrown at Zeitgeist as compared to Adore. So the premise of your question is too far off for anyone to properly answer it.

exactlythesame · 08-17-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

90s weezer : 00s weezer :: sp : sp2

green album : zeitgeist. sterile imitation of something that used to be good.

anyway, in nine years we'll be saying "well, at least it wasn't bill's make believe"

true dat

Shallowed · 08-17-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by selection7

There's absolutely no comparison between the negativity thrown at Zeitgeist as compared to Adore. So the premise of your question is too far off for anyone to properly answer it.

Of course, not now, but back in the day it was viewed somewhat negatively, wasn't it?

IWishIWasBlank · 08-19-2008, 08:31 AM

Anything would be reviewed negatively if you released Mellon Collie before it.

Edit: Unless it was like, a Beatles album.

Edit Edit: Strawberry (Birthmark) Fields Forever

CrabbMan · 10-06-2010, 08:15 PM

Two years later, does anybody have a more favorable opinion than they did? I think I genuinely like it. Definitely in my top 10 Pumpkins albums.

soniclovenoize · 10-06-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CrabbMan

Definitely in my top 10 Pumpkins albums.

Morrison Hotel is definitely in my top 6 Doors albums.

paranoid · 10-06-2010, 08:42 PM

now that we're 8 songs into teargarden, zeitgeist sounds like gold. but that's been billy's strategy the past 10 years, release an album so bad the one before it looks like a masterpiece. it just keeps getting worse and worse...

SpFission · 10-06-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by paranoid

now that we're 8 songs into teargarden, zeitgeist sounds like gold. but that's been billy's strategy the past 10 years, release an album so bad the one before it looks like a masterpiece. it just keeps getting worse and worse...

I don't know.. I'm liking the the 2nd EP so far better than most if not all of Zeitgeist.

samuel redman · 10-06-2010, 10:01 PM

always liked Zeitgeist

Dogfighter28 · 10-06-2010, 10:03 PM

It still sucks but Teargarden sounds like it might be worse after all is said and done

samuel redman · 10-06-2010, 10:06 PM

i really dont think you can even compare the two

paranoid · 10-06-2010, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SpFission

I don't know.. I'm liking the the 2nd EP so far better than most if not all of Zeitgeist.

mmm.. bring the light, neverlost, thats the way > freak, spangled, fellowship.

although fellowship does beat a few tracks on zeitgeist, but freak and spangled are two songs the belong with the worst of zeitgeist.

stumpycat · 10-06-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrabbMan

Two years later, does anybody have a more favorable opinion than they did? I think I genuinely like it. Definitely in my top 10 Pumpkins albums.

Nope. It's just that I'd rather listen to it than TGBK thus far.

LaBelle · 10-07-2010, 01:29 AM

zeitgeist will never really get much respect because of the terrible vocal choices made on it, not only are the melodies bad the delivery is very lazy (not even counting how bad the lyrics are). the choir of billy's could have worked if it was mixed better and had more interesting harmonies...

Astur · 10-07-2010, 04:23 AM

i think it's all planned. Willie was so frustrated by negative reactions towards ZG that he wants to outturd himself so when TbK gets finished we all end up appreciating ZG the proper way

samuel redman · 10-07-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Astur

i think it's all planned. Willie was so frustrated by negative reactions towards ZG that he wants to outturd himself so when TbK gets finished we all end up appreciating ZG the proper way

i really think this might be true.

Eulogy · 10-07-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastic Smile

Well if they put out an even shittier album in the future, yes, zeitgeist could end up being appreciated a little more

ahhhahahahahaha

samuel redman · 10-07-2010, 08:58 AM

Zeitgeist was good, you could tell Billy still REALLY cared at that point.

you could see how absolutely dumbfounded he was when Zeitgeist got the press it did

arCHI · 10-07-2010, 10:39 AM

thats true. as many questionable choices were made on ZG, and as 1-dimensional as it was,
it still sounded like something that at least belonged in corgans library... albeit on the bottom rung.

honestly, i can't even compute how the man who wrote SD and MCIS is the same man writing TBK. his lyrics haven't been this bad since spiteface.

Slurpee · 10-07-2010, 10:55 AM

I still hate it just as much. To me, ZG and TbK are the same awkwardly bad musical thread, with tracks differentiated only by the amount and quality of production on them.

Two years later, it's obvious that if Billy has any chance to make challenging, interesting, rewarding music like Adore again, he's not going to take it. The good beginnings of a mature, intelligent direction in new songs from the residencies and the anniversary tour led nowhere.

antiskum · 10-08-2010, 12:00 AM

zeitgeist isn't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be, but it's not good. it's just an average rock ablum. it's got some catchy tracks and that's about all. and in 10 years it won't be remembered as anything other than that.

Trotskilicious · 10-08-2010, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CrabbMan

Definitely in my top 10 Pumpkins albums.

This is a joke?

slunken · 10-08-2010, 03:42 AM

chillwave is.

redbull · 10-08-2010, 03:54 AM

chillwave > zeitgeist

this album will be remember in the same way that people remember the second audioslave album.

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08-15-2008, 08:32 AM	#63
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,182	90s weezer : 00s weezer :: sp : sp2 green album : zeitgeist. sterile imitation of something that used to be good. anyway, in nine years we'll be saying "well, at least it wasn't bill's make believe"

08-17-2008, 12:36 AM	#67
selection7 Demi-God Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 313	To the OP. Adore was better received by the fans than Machina actually. It also got better reviews. It also sold better than Machina. Most of that was because it was coming off the heels of MCIS. It didn't sell nearly as well as it should have and it was so uncommercial and not aimed at the people who thought they liked the Pumpkins that it hurt their reputation/buzz for when Machina was released. Those people who "thought they liked the Pumpkins" are the population SP lost after Adore, leaving them with the core fans who were prepared for a very different album (it had to be different without Jimmy) and were relatively chill with it all. There seems to be an odd number of newer fans who really like Adore but besides that I haven't noticed any resurgence in respect for Adore. There's absolutely no comparison between the negativity thrown at Zeitgeist as compared to Adore. So the premise of your question is too far off for anyone to properly answer it.

08-19-2008, 08:31 AM	#70
IWishIWasBlank Apocalyptic Poster Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,404	Anything would be reviewed negatively if you released Mellon Collie before it. Edit: Unless it was like, a Beatles album. Edit Edit: Strawberry (Birthmark) Fields Forever

10-06-2010, 08:15 PM	#71
CrabbMan Amish Hoe Fighter Location: Humboldt, CA, USA Posts: 1,327	Two years later, does anybody have a more favorable opinion than they did? I think I genuinely like it. Definitely in my top 10 Pumpkins albums.

10-06-2010, 08:42 PM	#73
paranoid Minion of Satan Location: up a tree Posts: 7,521	now that we're 8 songs into teargarden, zeitgeist sounds like gold. but that's been billy's strategy the past 10 years, release an album so bad the one before it looks like a masterpiece. it just keeps getting worse and worse...

10-06-2010, 10:01 PM	#75
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,874	always liked Zeitgeist

10-06-2010, 10:03 PM	#76
Dogfighter28 ILL KILL UR DOG Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 11,480	It still sucks but Teargarden sounds like it might be worse after all is said and done

10-06-2010, 10:06 PM	#77
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,874	i really dont think you can even compare the two

10-07-2010, 01:29 AM	#80
LaBelle Socialphobic Location: Away Posts: 11,398	zeitgeist will never really get much respect because of the terrible vocal choices made on it, not only are the melodies bad the delivery is very lazy (not even counting how bad the lyrics are). the choir of billy's could have worked if it was mixed better and had more interesting harmonies...

10-07-2010, 04:23 AM	#81
Astur Apocalyptic Poster Location: Asturias Posts: 1,104	i think it's all planned. Willie was so frustrated by negative reactions towards ZG that he wants to outturd himself so when TbK gets finished we all end up appreciating ZG the proper way

10-07-2010, 08:58 AM	#84
samuel redman Apocalyptic Poster Location: You're 22 why aren't you free?You're 22 why aren't you free? you're mom and daddy's victory Posts: 4,874	Zeitgeist was good, you could tell Billy still REALLY cared at that point. you could see how absolutely dumbfounded he was when Zeitgeist got the press it did

10-07-2010, 10:39 AM	#85
arCHI Demi-God Location: Chicago Posts: 289	thats true. as many questionable choices were made on ZG, and as 1-dimensional as it was, it still sounded like something that at least belonged in corgans library... albeit on the bottom rung. honestly, i can't even compute how the man who wrote SD and MCIS is the same man writing TBK. his lyrics haven't been this bad since spiteface.

10-07-2010, 10:55 AM	#86
Slurpee Minion of Satan Location: breakfast Posts: 6,174	I still hate it just as much. To me, ZG and TbK are the same awkwardly bad musical thread, with tracks differentiated only by the amount and quality of production on them. Two years later, it's obvious that if Billy has any chance to make challenging, interesting, rewarding music like Adore again, he's not going to take it. The good beginnings of a mature, intelligent direction in new songs from the residencies and the anniversary tour led nowhere.

10-08-2010, 12:00 AM	#87
antiskum Demi-God Posts: 356	zeitgeist isn't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be, but it's not good. it's just an average rock ablum. it's got some catchy tracks and that's about all. and in 10 years it won't be remembered as anything other than that.

10-08-2010, 03:42 AM	#89
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	chillwave is.

10-08-2010, 03:54 AM	#90
redbull Immortal Location: like liutenant dan i'm rollin' Posts: 21,016	chillwave > zeitgeist this album will be remember in the same way that people remember the second audioslave album.