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03-25-2008, 10:39 PM | #91 | |
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If it's any consolation, you have a much better username. Poor Sal. |
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03-25-2008, 10:42 PM | #92 |
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It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that That's the Way was in a car commercial. As gay as that was, Warner Brothers had the rights to put whatever song they wanted in a Ford commercial.
Virgin not only ILLEGALLY put the band's music on the promotion, but has refused to acknowledge the re-issues and unreleased material Smashing Pumpkins offered him. Does it suck that Billy and Jimmy would sue over this and not even give fans an explanation as to the Ford commercial, yes, but legally the band is in the right. |
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03-25-2008, 10:43 PM | #93 | |
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03-25-2008, 10:59 PM | #94 |
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that totally needed a pepsi can photoshopped in there.
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03-25-2008, 11:01 PM | #95 | |
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srsly u guys street cred matters a lot to new fans out there i no a lot of ppl who probably wont even buy SP cds ne-more bcuz of how commercial every1 knows SP is these days
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03-25-2008, 11:09 PM | #96 |
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for all we know billy could have had a clause in his most recent contract stating that warner brothers reserved the right to use a song of his in a national promotion of their choosing.
that would explain the ford commercial |
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03-26-2008, 12:20 AM | #97 |
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I have no doubts as to the legal merits of the case, or why SP's music was "allowed" to be whored into the Ford commercial (that choice could clearly be under rights of Warner as per a standard label contract.) I don't think any of us are actually arguing against those points.
What's getting a lot of us, however, is WHY whoever wrote the press release would use an argument which seems rather hypocritical and ludicrous considering the fact that Billy and co. apparently never vocally got their panties in such a wad over "threatening" artistic credibility with things such as the Ford commercial, milk-drinking campaigns, and even having their likeness used to promote a video game competition being sponsored by the U.S. Army. It just seems that if they were truly as obsessed over maintaining artistic integrity as this particular press release suggests (which we all know is not the real reason for the suit, duh), these aforementioned examples would be shit-fit worthy enough that steps would have been taken in contractual agreements or whatever to prevent such deals from being made. |
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03-26-2008, 01:39 AM | #98 | |
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03-26-2008, 03:37 AM | #99 |
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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/..._id=1003741748
"I'm sure they indicated to Pepsi that they had a right to do this, full well knowing they do not have the right," he said by phone from Australia, where the band is touring. The suit says Virgin breached its contract with the band by using the Pumpkins in a "Pepsi Stuff" promotion without its permission. Corgan insists the group has veto power over such deals and has turned them down several times in the past. A Virgin spokesperson said the company does not comment on pending litigation." Corgan says he has been feuding for years with Virgin over the handling of the Pumpkins' back catalog, but that the Pepsi/Amazon.com promotion "crosses the Rubicon. You're going to see more of this playing fast and loose with the rules, hoping they don't get caught. At face value, it's not a huge deal. But in terms of precedent, it is, because there will be much more of this coming." In the suit, the Pumpkins claim Virgin has "irreparably harmed the group, their reputation and goodwill with their fans," dovetailing with what Corgan perceives as a lack of respect for the body of work the band has created. The problem is that according to the contract the Pumpkins renegotiated with Virgin in the late '90s, both parties are partners where the catalog is concerned. Corgan claims he's made frequent overtures to Virgin about repositioning the back catalog, offering expanded editions of vintage albums and releasing archival material, but has been met with resistance at every step of the way. "We've made offers to buy it all," he says. "Look, you have no interest. Let us just buy it. But they won't put a number on it. They've atrophied the catalog down so low that they probably hope we'll crawl back and ask for cash." |
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03-26-2008, 03:41 AM | #100 |
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Note the "Virgin spokesperson said the company does not comment on pending litigation."
This is a combined leagl/pr tactic. I did my thesis on this using data from major companies. Let the band say what they like and Virgin holds all their cards close. They think they have a better shot at winning in court but not in the public arena. Last edited by flyfire : 03-26-2008 at 03:55 AM. |
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03-26-2008, 04:39 AM | #101 |
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I think it's simple for the band to claim MCIS has street cred, yet not consider their new material of any value. it's the ZEITGEIST folks! things just don't matter anymore.
"pumpkins suck, have you heard the new album? gross!" "they used to be good" "whatever, I got that mellon collie album for free just for drinking pepsi" |
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03-26-2008, 07:30 AM | #102 | |
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and yes, i am a Coke man tbh. |
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03-26-2008, 09:02 AM | #103 | |
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03-26-2008, 09:09 AM | #104 | |
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yes, i think flyfire is definitely the most authoritative voice in this discussion, and she handles herself well in the conversation also. Why do people have to get so damn pissed off at what amounts to nothing more than a discussion of opposing viewpoints? |
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03-26-2008, 09:42 AM | #105 |
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The outcome of this lawsuit will most likely result in a non-cash settlement.
Virgin will put some special edition older SP stuff and SP will allow Virgin to use SP for some future marketing campaigns with better revenue sharing. End of story. |
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03-26-2008, 10:56 AM | #106 |
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Andrew_Pakula, your vision towards compromise and mutual benefit for all parties has impressed in me a resolute sense of promise for the coming months. what's that sound outside my window? starlings singing in the silvery sun.
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03-26-2008, 12:32 PM | #107 | |
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billy is much better at talking than writing blogs it would seem. whenever he feels the urge to post some mumbo-jumbo he should just tape and transcribe what he wanted to say; much clearer! |
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03-26-2008, 12:57 PM | #108 | |
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and i started thinking maybe this is the cause of all the negativity against... and i started thinking maybe this is the cause of all the negativity against... |
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03-26-2008, 01:38 PM | #109 |
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03-26-2008, 04:26 PM | #110 |
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There was a picture of Billy on the front of The Guardian national UK newspaper today about this
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03-26-2008, 05:52 PM | #111 | |
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i tried to get an avatar of Eric the Shit Cock, but couldn't find a decent one |
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03-26-2008, 08:08 PM | #112 |
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03-26-2008, 08:31 PM | #113 |
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"I'm sort of out of the period of my life when I run around trying to generate news."
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03-26-2008, 11:16 PM | #114 | |
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03-27-2008, 01:12 AM | #115 |
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I have no problem with SP suing Virgin, and I certainly believe Virgin would go ahead without permission just in case SP were too busy or too tired to notice.
Edit: It's also much harder to argue with Billy when he's speaking coherently. |
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03-27-2008, 07:29 AM | #116 |
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I had a thought last night
if virgin is giving the cd's away, then the band is making ZERO $$ no writers royalty, no producer royalty, ziltch. it's a "promotion" it's like virgin is trying to "liquidate" the stock... where as to billy it is potential "money in the bank" "HAHAHAHA those fools have 10,000,000 more copies of MCIS in some warehouse of my CD, HAHAHHA, I'm gonna be richer! wait, they're giving them away for free so i don't get a penny????? I'll sue those motherfuckers!!!" |
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03-27-2008, 09:31 AM | #117 |
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"Corgan's Fury."
Not LOL-worthy, but a smirk-inducing title indeed. |
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03-27-2008, 11:59 AM | #118 | |
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and fwiw, I'd RATHER you were right, because i don't really want billy to come off like a big hypocrite. |
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03-28-2008, 12:43 AM | #119 |
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Okay, does anyone think it's slightly absurd that this made the front of a British national newspaper? Fucking hell!
Who knows? They never specified the "type" of bathroom. The more rational thought seems to be that he might be calling from a cell phone while soaking in a hot bath in his suite or something. (It is funnier to think he's calling from the toilet though.) |
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03-28-2008, 01:35 AM | #120 |
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