whoa, I just put on TFE and I actually like it

[metal]

Originally Posted by i_adore_adore

TFE sucks now just as much as it did when it came out.

great songs (Mina Loy, Camera Eye, DIA),
decent songs (To Love Somebody, A100, Now and Then, Walking Shade)

7 of 12 = bad

btw, sorrow is pretty bad ass.

[arCHI]

i alwys kinda liked TFE, and still do. its not fantastic, but the first time i heard A100 i was enthused. that song is still badass. i'm ready is not badass, and never will be.

[metal]

for the record I think I_Adore_Adore is awesome. I just believe she is a bigger fan of Thefutureembrace than she wants to admit.

[Corgan Rules]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

what the fuck is wrong with me

About damn time! TFE is a very solid album. Hell, there are only like 2 songs that aren't that good on it (Sorrows and Straz). Tilt should have been on it but was left off.

You all just love to hate on Billy, but TFE was really ahead of its time. Very good album! I just started listening to it a lot recently too and I have been really into it as well.

[Corgan Rules]

Originally Posted by MonteLDS

i am in the same boat. i have been listening to tfe for the past 2 months and really enjoy it now

Same here.

[Corgan Rules]

Originally Posted by ciGarski

cubs win, corgan sets down guitar.

That better not happen ever! Fuck the Cubs! Whitesox all day!!!!

[Corgan Rules]

Originally Posted by sweetanthony

Arguably the best song his written post-Machina era.

listen, listen
this is the mark i cannot place
this is the wish i dare not leave
time uncovers what is keeping still
i unaware move against my will

simon says, pass on by
passions wane, stragglers weep
hungers fight for the camera eye

hold me so
i'll never let you go
stay with me for a while
while i sleep

mamma squeeze
grace my spine
walk on through the camera eye

listen, listen
this is the name i cannot speak
this is the flame i dare not douse
here things are
we'll never get that far
close enough to die a time or two or three

stretch my skin
restless gods
maybe turn my heart of hearts
deposit change in the camera eye

who needs pain to survive?
i need pain to change my life
in gentle myths and turning leaves we all
come to bury truth

honey choose my wet dream
a naked soul just has to grieve
if i bleed, the camera cries
no one doubts the camera eye

move fast forward through the camera eye
move fast forward through the camera eye
the camera eye
the camera eye

I disagree! I like that song, but it's not even in my top 5 for that album. There are 5 better songs on TFE than that song in my opinion.

[metal]

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[Corgan Rules]

Originally Posted by memories_unwind

The album was shit, the live shows were shit. end of story.

You are a big piece of shit. End of story!

[skipgo]

adore, i just can't take you seriously when you say you like american gothic.

[metal]

Originally Posted by skipgo

adore, i just can't take you seriously when you say you like american gothic.

I was listening to the Rose March in my car today. I really enjoyed it, especially the outro.

[skipgo]

[metal]

I thought the multi vocals were trippy and layered well. I played the last minute twice. How many versions of 1979 do you want skipgo?

[MonteLDS]

Machina was alright, but all the machina mystery bunk really made me like it less. if there was no story told with it, I would like it more. But still Machina never got my yuck.

Zwan was boring- i recall being all excited to go to S. CA to see the 1st 4 shows. and I was just really bored during all the shows. I didn't really like any of the songs.

The zwan album was alright till it just became clear over time that it wasn't memorable. I liked the song Mary Star of the Sea & Settle Down. But everything else slowly became to be such generic rock. The live shows were boring too...

then TFE came out and after all the hype of the chicago stuff and the good songs that seemed to be coming from there and TFE was nothing like the chicago songs. I was taken back. I wasn't too excited about it at all, but I wanted to support billy. Originally I was going to go to LA & SD to see him, then said "screw it" and canceled those plans. saw him do TFE in SF + Seattle & Vancouver. Was more excited by the opening band. and i found myself just like "whatever" during most of TFE. i got to talk to billy a lot but was disappointed in him.

Now we got SP2 which has some light... to be honest when i heard Z i wasn't super impressed .

But now when i listen to TFE i kind of like it a lot. i found what i found in adore. that personal connection. and that is what got me into the band from hearing Rhino where i casually liked that song to hearing Drown when i personally connected with the music..

[metal]

Originally Posted by MonteLDS

Zwan was boring- i recall being all excited to go to S. CA to see the 1st 4 shows. and I was just really bored during all the shows. I didn't really like any of the songs.

remember the Wiltern? "how many of you are going to San Diego?" mediocre applause

[skipgo]

Originally Posted by metal

I thought the multi vocals were trippy and layered well. I played the last minute twice. How many versions of 1979 do you want skipgo?

oh come on, i don't even really like 1979. More of a Geek USA/Once in Awhile/Meladori Magpie/Glynis girl myself. Billy completely ruined the once beautiful song that was the rose march. bleh.

[metal]

Originally Posted by skipgo

oh come on, i don't even really like 1979. More of a Geek USA/Once in Awhile/Meladori Magpie/Glynis girl myself. Billy completely ruined the once beautiful song that was the rose march. bleh.

How many children of siamese dream do you want?

[MonteLDS]

Originally Posted by metal

remember the Wiltern? "how many of you are going to San Diego?" mediocre applause

i don't recall it.. maybe too bored

[metal]

spilled milk at the end was great

[skipgo]

what the hell are you talking about? did you read that really long-ass post i made about my appreciation for TFE and not comparing it to other stuff? I'm not comparing AG to siamese dream; I simply think it's terrible, all on it's own. You like to make assumptions based on nothing, dontcha, metal?

[metal]

Originally Posted by skipgo

I simply think it's terrible, all on it's own.

as a pumpkin fan, is this even possible?

[skipgo]

of course it's possible. only a moron follows blindly. you're not a moron are you?

there's no question that i'm a fan. I have two fucking sp tattoos for the love of god. much like i_adore_adore, i like everything billy's done aside from American Gothic, and I'm not terribly impressed with zeitgeist (though it's tolerable, and I do love pomp, neverlost, dfa, stellar, and ma belle).

give me a break with this untrue fan business.

[metal]

Originally Posted by skipgo

of course it's possible. only a moron follows blindly. you're not a moron are you?

there's no question that i'm a fan. I have two fucking sp tattoos for the love of god. much like i_adore_adore, i like everything billy's done aside from American Gothic, and I'm not terribly impressed with zeitgeist (though it's tolerable, and I do love pomp, neverlost, dfa, stellar, and ma belle).

give me a break with this untrue fan business.

my implication was that it's difficult to not compare newer works to their previous success. I was not questioning your loyalty skipgo.

[skipgo]

ok, my mistake. still. I'm not looking for a repeat of past albums, I have no desire for such. I just don't like AG, end of story. It makes me cringe.

[Slurpee]

TFE has some great song writing and cool sounds. I listened to Pretty, Pretty Stars recently and was surprised how effing cool it was.

[MonteLDS]

Originally Posted by metal

spilled milk at the end was great

i hardly recall spilled milk because i was so exhausted. but i do recall it being better than all the boring crap we heard

[skipgo]

tfe ftw

[MonteLDS]

Originally Posted by Slurpee

TFE has some great song writing and cool sounds. I listened to Pretty, Pretty Stars recently and was surprised how effing cool it was.

Pretty Pretty Star, A100, Cameraeye, Walking Shades, & Mina Loy (M.O.H.)

those were the only songs i could only listen to off of TFE

when i made the All Things Change video i did it only because i had a story line that I could do.

But right now "Now & Then" really speaks to me. And a song i hated so so so much "I'm Ready" i now like

I do recall liking the TFE video. it was pretty interesting

For those of you who don't know what i am talking about

http://www.spike.com/video/2674472

[MonteLDS]

i think pretty pretty STAR draw was the spacey sound and the emotional appeal to it that was in this song

[MonteLDS]

i think it for me was very emotional pull. talking about the emptiness that follows me as i reach out to find the person whom i love. my pretty pretty star. I know that maybe hard to understand but its very real for me