Gish or Zeitgeist? - Page 4

arCHI · 03-15-2008, 09:17 PM

maybe i got into the pumpkins too late to really relate to gish. i mean, i used to love to play gish songs on the guitar, but the album never really grabbed me on a personal level. zeitgeist doesnt really grab me on a personal level either, though, but i feel like some of the songs are a bit more heartfelt. i know crazy right? gish seems kind of emotionless to me.

the thing about zeitgeist is i dont feel like it was bold musically. gish was more adventurous in its day, and for that i give it credit and my vote. plus snail is fucking amazing.

to me, the pumpkins really came into their own after gish with the pre-SD stuff.

yoshinobu's revenge · 03-15-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by davin

gish is my favorite pumpkins record.

its also my favorite record of all time, by any band ever. its my "desert island" record...and my "sitting on death row" record.

the music, the lyrics, the song-writing...its the "spirit of the time" for me, with emotional and personal connections galore.

yup

Luke de Spa · 03-15-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by davin

right, i forgot you think shit like this is clever and unbeatable

stumpycat · 03-16-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

Forgot about that aspect of "Suffer." That recorder solo kind of reminds me of the violin part in Superchrist in terms of "did I jsut hear that?"

I did consider that analogy...but I decided against it, and here's why: because (for me, at least) it actually "works" musically. Although the recorder melody could be considered somewhat unusual it doesn't just sound like someone decided to splice a random interlude into the middle of the song. Note that the backing instrumentation and song rhythm never actually disappear from the background, despite the novel presence of the flute in the foreground.
The way it breaks in reminds me more of that reverb-drenched "solo" melody in LaDollyVita.

Eulogy · 03-16-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

As for Gish, whatever mediocrity liesi n tracks 4-7

you do realize that Bury Me is track 4 and Snail is track 7, right?

sneakyflutes · 03-16-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by greedo

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Gish is just amateurish compared to everything Billy has done since. His vocals sound bored (even more so than on Zeitgeist), the riffs are bland, the lyrics are uninteresting, and the production is lacklustre.

You are a fucking idiot.

IWishIWasBlank · 03-16-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brothergoddard

I see what you mean about the rawness of the album (gish)

This is what made Gish so great. You probably won't hear another studio album with this type of content ever again. Labels won't allow it.

IWishIWasBlank · 03-16-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by New Art Rioter

How can anyone not like Snail?! Or Crush or Suffer. That final 3/4 build up in Snail into the last solo and Jimmy's crazy drumming, that's fucking gold right there.

Jimmy. Yes.

stumpycat · 03-16-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IWishIWasBlank

This is what made Gish so great. You probably won't hear another studio album with this type of content ever again. Labels won't allow it.

It's well produced rawness. That's why the production appears so "seamless" and really lets the instruments shine through.

Spira|_ · 03-17-2008, 07:23 AM

MCIS>SD>MachinaI>MachinaII>Adore>Gish>PI>Zwan>TFE>all demos, all unedited stuff, anything Billy did at home, at toillet whatever> Zeitgeist

p.s. SD>MachinaI>MachinaII>Adore>Gish>PI ... this ones I love them all, for me it is unfair compare them... thats why I fucking LOVE Smashing Pumpkins

redbreegull · 03-17-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by arCHI

maybe i got into the pumpkins too late to really relate to gish. i mean, i used to love to play gish songs on the guitar, but the album never really grabbed me on a personal level. zeitgeist doesnt really grab me on a personal level either, though, but i feel like some of the songs are a bit more heartfelt. i know crazy right? gish seems kind of emotionless to me.

the thing about zeitgeist is i dont feel like it was bold musically. gish was more adventurous in its day, and for that i give it credit and my vote. plus snail is fucking amazing.

to me, the pumpkins really came into their own after gish with the pre-SD stuff.

For me Gish sort of paints the perfect picture of where the band was at right at that time. Compared to their early "new wave" music it had already come a long way and was the result of quite a lot of maturing. It's a bit simple when held against the following three albums, but it's very beautiful in that simplicity. I have always liked the lyrics too.

Maybe Zeitgeist is a portrait of the band right now too, but that would be a portrait of two forty year olds playing 6 minute songs consisting of only the open D chord on baritone guitars.

Ruby_Girl · 04-23-2008, 03:45 PM

Of course Gish wins, it's vintage now!!!
Zeitgeist was good too, but all the songs (except the last one) where kinda in the same vibe... it didn't have interesting differences among its songs, as almost all the previous SP albums...

IWishIWasBlank · 04-23-2008, 09:18 PM

Lobsters love Guinness, but not as much as melted butter.

minaloy · 07-08-2008, 10:23 AM

gish is an aweosme album but i'll have to give the nod to zeitgeist.

Kahlo · 07-08-2008, 10:26 AM

quick someone ban the troll

skipgo · 07-08-2008, 05:09 PM

wait nevermind.

Banana · 07-08-2008, 05:25 PM

MSOTS is not better than Zeitgeist.

It has one good song and the rest are complete shit.

SpFission · 07-08-2008, 06:43 PM

I need to change my vote to Gish..

Z is still better than Machina though.

slunken · 07-08-2008, 06:50 PM

so basically davin prefers gish because it IS zeitgeist

Corgan Rules · 07-08-2008, 07:43 PM

Both albums are good, however, I think Zeitgeist is the better album!

Gish08 · 07-25-2008, 12:30 AM

How could anyone seriously make this thread?

Gish vs. Zeitgeist?

Zeitgeist has its moments, but it doesn't touch Gish.

davin · 07-25-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by slunken

so basically davin prefers gish because it IS zeitgeist

a zeigeist, in a sense. sure.

dreams of glass · 10-23-2014, 01:03 AM

How is this even a question.

Shallowed · 10-23-2014, 01:16 AM

Yeah fuck you OP. I know you're reading this.

Fonzie · 10-23-2014, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by skipgo

snail is easily an all time greatest to me.

I listened to 'Snail' the other day and my first thought was "this is so much better than that new song".

Fonzie · 10-23-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gish08

How could anyone seriously make this thread?

Gish vs. Zeitgeist?

Zeitgeist has its moments, but it doesn't touch Gish.

You'll never see a Zeitgeist08 post here.

ninsp · 10-23-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dreams of glass

How is this even a question.

Because Gish is pretty trash. So is Zeitgeist.

Ram27 · 10-23-2014, 12:03 PM

Anyone who voted for ZG is a blasphemer

dodoz · 10-23-2014, 09:36 PM

Oh come on, this is a no brainer.
I've met so many people who couldn't get into "Gish" and I still don't understand. Is it a difficult album ? Not at all. I still get lost in "Gish", it's so adventurous, hypnotic and beautiful. How can you go wrong with an album that has "Rhinoceros", "Crush", "Siva", "Suffer", "Daydream"...It's an amazing debut album. With a very personal heavy and psychedelic sound. And I love "I'm going crazy" too - The Pumpkins never did the ghost track thing again, when everybody started doing it post-"Nevermind"!

Ram27 · 10-23-2014, 09:48 PM

LMGTWTY was a ghost track on Adore

it's just that all the untr00 fans turned the CD off after 17

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03-15-2008, 09:17 PM	#91
arCHI Demi-God Location: Chicago Posts: 289	maybe i got into the pumpkins too late to really relate to gish. i mean, i used to love to play gish songs on the guitar, but the album never really grabbed me on a personal level. zeitgeist doesnt really grab me on a personal level either, though, but i feel like some of the songs are a bit more heartfelt. i know crazy right? gish seems kind of emotionless to me. the thing about zeitgeist is i dont feel like it was bold musically. gish was more adventurous in its day, and for that i give it credit and my vote. plus snail is fucking amazing. to me, the pumpkins really came into their own after gish with the pre-SD stuff.

03-17-2008, 07:23 AM	#100
Spira\|_ Apocalyptic Poster Location: Muzzle. Posts: 1,210	MCIS>SD>MachinaI>MachinaII>Adore>Gish>PI>Zwan>TFE>all demos, all unedited stuff, anything Billy did at home, at toillet whatever> Zeitgeist p.s. SD>MachinaI>MachinaII>Adore>Gish>PI ... this ones I love them all, for me it is unfair compare them... thats why I fucking LOVE Smashing Pumpkins

04-23-2008, 03:45 PM	#102
Ruby_Girl Amish Rake Fighter Location: Greece Posts: 3	Of course Gish wins, it's vintage now!!! Zeitgeist was good too, but all the songs (except the last one) where kinda in the same vibe... it didn't have interesting differences among its songs, as almost all the previous SP albums...

04-23-2008, 09:18 PM	#103
IWishIWasBlank Apocalyptic Poster Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,404	Lobsters love Guinness, but not as much as melted butter.

07-08-2008, 10:23 AM	#104
minaloy Amish Rake Fighter Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan Posts: 10	gish is an aweosme album but i'll have to give the nod to zeitgeist.

07-08-2008, 10:26 AM	#105
Kahlo Registered User Posts: 17,539	quick someone ban the troll

07-08-2008, 05:09 PM	#106
skipgo Minion of Satan Location: i'm a horrible human being Posts: 9,141	wait nevermind.

07-08-2008, 05:25 PM	#107
Banana Banned Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 6,373	MSOTS is not better than Zeitgeist. It has one good song and the rest are complete shit.

07-08-2008, 06:43 PM	#108
SpFission Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,999	I need to change my vote to Gish.. Z is still better than Machina though.

07-08-2008, 06:50 PM	#109
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	so basically davin prefers gish because it IS zeitgeist

07-08-2008, 07:43 PM	#110
Corgan Rules Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,019	Both albums are good, however, I think Zeitgeist is the better album!

07-25-2008, 12:30 AM	#111
Gish08 Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,559	How could anyone seriously make this thread? Gish vs. Zeitgeist? Zeitgeist has its moments, but it doesn't touch Gish.

10-23-2014, 01:03 AM	#113
dreams of glass Apocalyptic Poster Location: The Bay Area, CA Posts: 2,226	How is this even a question.

10-23-2014, 01:16 AM	#114
Shallowed Braindead Posts: 18,608	Yeah fuck you OP. I know you're reading this.

10-23-2014, 12:03 PM	#118
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,368	Anyone who voted for ZG is a blasphemer

10-23-2014, 09:36 PM	#119
dodoz Demi-God Posts: 264	Oh come on, this is a no brainer. I've met so many people who couldn't get into "Gish" and I still don't understand. Is it a difficult album ? Not at all. I still get lost in "Gish", it's so adventurous, hypnotic and beautiful. How can you go wrong with an album that has "Rhinoceros", "Crush", "Siva", "Suffer", "Daydream"...It's an amazing debut album. With a very personal heavy and psychedelic sound. And I love "I'm going crazy" too - The Pumpkins never did the ghost track thing again, when everybody started doing it post-"Nevermind"!

10-23-2014, 09:48 PM	#120
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,368	LMGTWTY was a ghost track on Adore it's just that all the untr00 fans turned the CD off after 17