Smashing Pumpkins 'Shiny And Oh So Bright' Tour 2018

[coolstorybro]

Originally Posted by seahorserodeo78

Yet to read a negative review about the show from anyone that was actually there. The reviews and the people that were there have given it praise. The only negative talk I have read so far are from people who weren't even there and have been making fun of this tour before it even began and Billy for a decade now. Looks like its a great show that is going to please the people that paid to see it, which is really all that matters.

Hit the nail on the head.

[jimmy drevpile]

Originally Posted by reprise85

gotta admit this sounds great

Lush.

[coolstorybro]

Good review: https://uproxx.com/music/smashing-pu...ndale-concert/

[themadcaplaughs]

When I saw them with my best friend in 2015 (a semi-huge Pumpkins fan), he rolled his eyes during the "Crying Tree of Mercury" as Billy pranced around the stage with no guitar, making awkward hand gestures. He said something like, "thank God he only did that for one song."

Now, he doe sit 1/3 of the show, and the fact that he seems to be actively performing the "front man" role makes it even cringier. This somehow seems even worse than when Weezer made the drummer play guitar, and Cuomo would jog around the stage.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

For real, there was circus and Wizard of Oz music and song intros in like 1997, the Machina tour had that weird robot voice intro. The spectacle isn't really anything new, though it's never been quite this large in scale.

I think back then it was like they were not taking those things too seriously, there was still a bit of cynicism behind it. It's the opposite now, it's like a self-parody taken seriously.

[SlingeroGuitaro]

Couldn't that just be your perception?

[Kumar Littlejeans]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

When I saw them with my best friend in 2015 (a semi-huge Pumpkins fan), he rolled his eyes during the "Crying Tree of Mercury" as Billy pranced around the stage with no guitar, making awkward hand gestures. He said something like, "thank God he only did that for one song."

This was the best goddamn part of the Manson shows

[BurtSampson]

Originally Posted by SlingeroGuitaro

Couldn't that just be your perception?

No, it is different. Billy is not doing a 30 minute Silverfuck jam after a Wizard of Oz clip, he’s doing a straight Stairway to Heaven cover dressed like a saint. It’s different.

[seahorserodeo78]

Originally Posted by BurtSampson

No, it is different. Billy is not doing a 30 minute Silverfuck jam after a Wizard of Oz clip, he’s doing a straight Stairway to Heaven cover dressed like a saint. It’s different.

Same thing

[Shadaloo]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

I think back then it was like they were not taking those things too seriously, there was still a bit of cynicism behind it. It's the opposite now, it's like a self-parody taken seriously.

See, I don't get that at all. I'm seeing an effort to actually revisit that mindset of "this is all a great big dumb show." So the costume changes and the big silly silver skirt here and in the Solara video...I'm just seeing them as going "Fuck it, we'll have some fun with the imagery and poke fun at the big stupid 90's rock personas people want us to inhabit again". So the cynicism's there, but it's being displayed via a rockstar-saint icon being paraded around during Stairway, which is the biggest cliche of a rock song there is. It's dripping with cynicism.

[coolstorybro]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

When I saw them with my best friend in 2015 (a semi-huge Pumpkins fan), he rolled his eyes during the "Crying Tree of Mercury" as Billy pranced around the stage with no guitar, making awkward hand gestures. He said something like, "thank God he only did that for one song."

Now, he doe sit 1/3 of the show, and the fact that he seems to be actively performing the "front man" role makes it even cringier. This somehow seems even worse than when Weezer made the drummer play guitar, and Cuomo would jog around the stage.

Were you at the show?

[paranoid]

i don't know cynicism or not the saint billy costume/statue and endless iconic photos of him all over the screens just rubs me the wrong way.

[slayed23]

What was the attendance last night? 8-10K maybe?

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by coolstorybro

Were you at the show?

what do you care? get outta here.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

See, I don't get that at all. I'm seeing an effort to actually revisit that mindset of "this is all a great big dumb show." So the costume changes and the big silly silver skirt here and in the Solara video...I'm just seeing them as going "Fuck it, we'll have some fun with the imagery and poke fun at the big stupid 90's rock personas people want us to inhabit again". So the cynicism's there, but it's being displayed via a rockstar-saint icon being paraded around during Stairway, which is the biggest cliche of a rock song there is. It's dripping with cynicism.

I can see that with a few things alright. I mean, who would think that Saint Billy was serious art!? I do think he's playing with all the things that surrounds the pumpkins, the megalomania, the messianic messages, the true goth costumes. But a few of them seem to go too far... too serious... I'm not complaining tho, Billy was always very cheesy and tacky, I only thing that a 30-songs' show might suffer with that many awkward moments at once.

[coolstorybro]

Originally Posted by paranoid

what do you care? get outta here.

Showing others that your opinion is based on your imagination.

[amoergosum]

So how was Metric?

Glendale, thanks for being our first stop on the Smashing Pumpkins tour. ✖️✖️✖️ #summerofmetric @SmashingPumpkin pic.twitter.com/2bZJNnVXH0

— M E T R I C (@Metric) July 13, 2018

[paranoid]

Originally Posted by coolstorybro

Showing others that your opinion is based on your imagination.

you should be careful with that, because the same could be said for those that kiss billy's ass all day. you're playing with fire here.

[BurtSampson]

Originally Posted by coolstorybro

Showing others that your opinion is based on your imagination.

So if i said I loved it but I didn’t go to the show, that’d totally be okay right? Because you just don’t want people that aren’t licking Billy’s crack hanging around

[Rider]

Originally Posted by seahorserodeo78

Yet to read a negative review about the show from anyone that was actually there. The reviews and the people that were there have given it praise. The only negative talk I have read so far are from people who weren't even there and have been making fun of this tour before it even began and Billy for a decade now. Looks like its a great show that is going to please the people that paid to see it, which is really all that matters.

Ahh so you mean the small proportion of the fan base willing to buy tickets for this show enjoyed the show.

Hmmm something might be affecting this sample set....

[seahorserodeo78]

Originally Posted by Rider

Ahh so you mean the small proportion of the fan base willing to buy tickets for this show enjoyed the show.

Hmmm something might be affecting this sample set....

That's all that really matters. That the people who decided to go and spend money will enjoy the shows and are will be happy that they went. Nobody cares about the people who didn't want to go and are still complaining about it. I am not going to sit here and cry about every single concert going on right now that I didn't go to because I didn't like it, the band, the production the prices etc. Because nobody cares.

[coolstorybro]

Originally Posted by Rider

Ahh so you mean the small proportion of the fan base willing to buy tickets for this show enjoyed the show.

Hmmm something might be affecting this sample set....

Has anyone read a bad review from someone who was actually there?

It's important to have a frame of reference when reviewing or forming an opinion. That opinion, maybe it's valid, doesn't hold as much weight as someone who does have that reference.

It was a good show, entertaining as hell. Yeah, it was a cash grab and cheezy as fuck, but you got your money's worth.

[just1dood]

I feel like most of the regulars in here are too entrenched in their contempt for Billy to understand that rational, logical point of view. lol

[Ihaguitar]

ok who was there?

[BurtSampson]

Originally Posted by just1dood

I feel like most of the regulars in here are too entrenched in their contempt for Billy to understand that rational, logical point of view. lol

Thanks for letting us know, person with 8 posts. Go back to the SP subreddit and talk about how Machina is underrated or something

[FoolofaTook]

Yeah fuck you and your 8 posts!!

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by paranoid

you should be careful with that, because the same could be said for those that kiss billy's ass all day. you're playing with fire here.

hahahahaha

[pavementtune]

come on, tookling...
fixed that for you

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

Yeah, fuck you, and your 8 posts, and your father!!

this thread is very inspiring. amoergosum, do your worst, please!


https://i.imgur.com/RooVbej.jpg

[FoolofaTook]

indeed

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by seahorserodeo78

That's all that really matters. That the people who decided to go and spend money will enjoy the shows and are will be happy that they went. Nobody cares about the people who didn't want to go and are still complaining about it. I am not going to sit here and cry about every single concert going on right now that I didn't go to because I didn't like it, the band, the production the prices etc. Because nobody cares.

If that's all that really matters they should've booked smaller arenas.