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Old 07-11-2019, 07:01 AM   #151
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:27 PM   #152
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love how even Billy was not immune to the inevitable "we need a Z in the band name" syndrome of the early 2000s

 
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:28 PM   #153
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first big sympton of pandering to "what the kids are into" & we didn't even know it

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 03:11 AM   #154
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Old 04-11-2020, 05:08 AM   #155
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Such a kind and forgiving soul.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 05:30 AM   #156
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What the hell did matt do? He didn’t even get that handy from paz under the table at the beer hall?

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 06:51 AM   #157
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probably said he was a big fan of MCIS

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 07:17 AM   #158
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Maybe he drank from Bill’s supply of bottled water.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:52 AM   #159
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Very classy Billy; didn't even reach out after David attempted suicide a few years back.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 12:31 PM   #160
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probably said he was a big fan of MCIS
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to smashingjj again.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 02:22 PM   #161
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The difference between Zwan and SP was that the leveraging of power was very different between each band.

You could say that D’Arcy and James had to put up with his shit to remain in the band and make their money while they could. They couldn’t really stand up to him that much.

With Zwan there were three people in the band who had all already had their own successes in music to varying degrees on their own. People that probably weren’t that impressed by Billy and weren’t going to put up with his bullshit. People who had no problem walking away. Billy had no control over Zwan and he couldn’t stand that. Who is really the personae non grata? The one with the huge trail of broken relationships in his past. A guy who literally ruins every friendship he’s ever had.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 02:52 PM   #162
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tbf David Pajo does seem like a bit of a cunt

Sweeney is the fuckin' man though

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 06:37 PM   #163
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Its hard to believe Zwan was even real. I liked some of the songs but it was obvious none of the members went together. Its surprising how desperate Billy must have been to try this in the first place

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 06:47 PM   #164
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The difference between Zwan and SP was that the leveraging of power was very different between each band.

You could say that D’Arcy and James had to put up with his shit to remain in the band and make their money while they could. They couldn’t really stand up to him that much.

With Zwan there were three people in the band who had all already had their own successes in music to varying degrees on their own. People that probably weren’t that impressed by Billy and weren’t going to put up with his bullshit. People who had no problem walking away. Billy had no control over Zwan and he couldn’t stand that. Who is really the personae non grata? The one with the huge trail of broken relationships in his past. A guy who literally ruins every friendship he’s ever had.
D'Arcy stood up to him all the time. It's why he both respected and resented her IMO.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 07:14 PM   #165
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sure to an extent, but ultimately he fired her when her image would no longer serve the band when she started having drugs problems and getting plastic surgery.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:26 PM   #166
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D'Arcy stood up to him all the time. It's why he both respected and resented her IMO.
It was still a different context. D'arcy and James made musical contributions, and were not afraid to talk Corgan down at certain times, but he was still the primary "bread winner" of the band, being the songwriter for the vast majority of the songs, the main creative force, and the focus of the band. Billy has even admitted multiple times that, in retrospect, he was lucky to have band mates like James and D'arcy who kept up with his work ethic and were willing to follow him down whatever creative path he took the band.

As someone up above said, with Zwan you had musicians who had not only been in different bands of varying degrees of success, but were also in bands that were much more collaborative and democratic than Smashing Pumpkins. Jim DeRogatis once said something along the lines of "Billy used Zwan to pay lip service to the idea of a band;" pretty much a perfect summation. He wanted band mates like James and D'arcy, and instead got people who wanted to be actively involved in the creative process at every level.

Sweeney is the man. I love how Corgan tries to play him up as some scumbag, but he's an in-demand session and touring musician. To thrive in that career, you have to be able to deal well with big egos, while being able to take criticism and direction in stride. The Matt Sweeney Corgan talks about is not a guy who Rick Rubin considers his "go to" guitarist when his clients need a guitar player.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:33 PM   #167
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sure to an extent, but ultimately he fired her when her image would no longer serve the band when she started having drugs problems and getting plastic surgery.
That's a very cynical way of looking at it. I'm not saying you're wrong though. She clearly needed help and I wish she had got it.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 08:56 PM   #168
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admittedly I am very cynical, but if you've ever read the Q magazine "rudest man in rock" interview with Billy you'll see that he seemed to be operating at peak megalomania during that era too. he'd undoubtedly ascribe it now to "just playing a character" and something that is too far over our heads for our inferior intellects to grasp, but we know that's a load of bs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hatephoria/...t_man_in_rock/

funnily enough the article used to be available on the Q site and a couple other sites but appears to have been scrubbed from the net aside from this old reddit post

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:33 PM   #169
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who else is grossed out by bill in these pictures?

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:36 PM   #170
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who's to say they weren't "jiggin' it out" behind the scenes during the time of these shoots?

that's what I always figured, at least

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:37 PM   #171
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judging by these pics i've always assumed they were dating at this time and the reason the whole band blew up was because of severe butthurtness when free spirit paz was disloyal to the bald lord. if they had just kept pajo on bass and stayed a 4 piece like they were at first, who knows, zwan may have kept going for a while.

 
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Old 04-11-2020, 09:55 PM   #172
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who else is grossed out by bill in these pictures?
Yeah. Always have been. Ick

 
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:37 AM   #173
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Someone needs to do some Photoshop's and put Corgy's hand in funny places

 
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Old 04-12-2020, 11:01 AM   #174
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it already is

 
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