Can someone tell Billy that he doesn't have to sound different from the Pumpkins?

[Siva rules]

I mean, since post-MCIS, he's been trying to sound 'different' from previous work (starting with Adore). And since Adore basically every album was a disappointment.

I don't have a problem with songs that sound like the Pumpkins.

R.E.M., U2, .... also still exist and are still making the same music as they did years ago.

So why does he have to try to sound different? He doesn't have to for me.

Since Adore, there are still separate songs on every album which I like very much (except on MSOTS), but talking about the entire album, they simply don't have the same quality anymore like they used to have in the good old days.

[Dead]

But REM and U2 suck.

[COG]

Okay, I know I don't have to respond to this, but seriously, go take out your copy of Gish, and Siamese Dream, and Mellon Collie, and your gonna tell me they sound alike. Most would say not quite the drastic jump, but to me, I would say the biggest change of style was between Gish and SD. I mean, on Mellon Collie, you see alot of cues showing what would lead to Adore, musically. He began using drum machines and synth patches, songs based off of an acoustic guitar and piano, mellow ballads. I think really, with the exception of TFE, Billy simply makes the music he is feeling at the time.
Also, REM and U2 are both bands that have grown so stagnant that most people don't listen anymore.

[ChristHimself!]

Originally posted by Siva rules
he's been trying to sound 'different' from previous work (starting with Adore).

I am one --> crush ---> window paine ---> disarm ---> geek usa ---> luna ---> mellon collie and the infinite sadness ---> fuck you ---> cupid de locke ---> porcelina ---> thirty three ---> stumbeline ---> we only come out at night ---> beautiful

The pumpkins always did stuff that sounds completely different, they were one of the only bands that really shattered notions of genre imho.

[dean moriaty]

Originally posted by Dead
But REM and U2 suck.

[neopryn]

Originally posted by ShotFullOfDiamonds
The pumpkins always did stuff that sounds completely different, they were one of the only bands that really shattered notions of genre imho.

yup. i can't think of many albums that have anywhere near the amount of diversity as MCIS. and that's just one album.

i mean, x.y.u and we only come out at night are back-to-back.

[ChristHimself!]

Originally posted by neopryn
yup. i can't think of many albums that have anywhere near the amount of diversity as MCIS. and that's just one album

<3

[siamese_dream1]

The best artists always like to change their sound and style. God forbid Billy for actually trying to do something different. Adore is a beautiful album and how anyone can say Machina is a dissapointment is beyond me.

[vbshlofbvgos]

Originally posted by siamese_dream1
how anyone can say Machina is a dissapointment is beyond me.

there must be alot thats beyond you.
theres alot out there you know, in the great beyond.

[Q.L.M.]

The thing about melloncollie is that it touches on so many different styles of music from track to track. The theme of melloncollie was its great variety. However, I would say that every other album follows a sort of soundscape that is basically consistent throughout the album. (This was a lot less aparent in siamese dream than in albums like adore and machina (and now thefutureembrace).

[Absinth]

And mentioning U2 is a really bad example. This band really had drastic changes to their style throughout their career...

[wangcomputers]

good alternative bands have to be progressive and evolve.
That's one of the reasons a band like oasis has a short lifespan and a band like radiohead has a long one.

Billy realizes this, he's said many times in interviews that he's only interested in moving forward, not 'rehashing' the same type of material, which is a good attitude to have.
But in being progressive you're meant to be treading new ground. But Billy isn't creative enough to do that, he tosses out this 80s style electronica and thinks he's embracing the future.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

-> no.

['|' jIMMY '|']

yeah.. we do mean, "NO!"

[siamese_dream1]

Originally posted by vbshlofbvgos

there must be alot thats beyond you.
theres alot out there you know, in the great beyond.

ok asshole all I'm saying is that IMO Machina is a solid Pumpkins album, not the best but for me certainly not a dissapointment. the only thing dissapointing is your idea of a joke.

['|' jIMMY '|']

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Originally posted by vbshlofbvgos

there must be alot thats beyond you.
theres alot out there you know, in the great beyond.
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Originally posted by siamese_dream1


ok asshole all I'm saying is that IMO Machina is a solid Pumpkins album, not the best but for me certainly not a dissapointment. the only thing dissapointing is your idea of a joke.

*scoffed my ass off*