i'm listening to zeitgeist for masochistic reasons

[bobliefeld]

I reckon TGBK has no dignity at all.

The whole thing was about the groundbreaking business model. The actual music seemed like an after thought?

[bobliefeld]

Astral Planes coulda been good? I quite like the intro. It sounds like there's some cool guitar stuff going on. King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard or whatever they're calleds "I'm In Your Mind" album is that kinda thing but decent ???

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I'm also still surprised that Oceania has such a big following. It's such a neutered, bland attempt at trying to "return to their roots". Theres a few highlights like Violet Rays and the title track, but overall it's just really plain and boring.

It's pretty proggy and grand in scope. It is a really good album that is held down by the Pumpkins moniker. It just doesn't feel like a Pumpkins album, and that's it's major problem. Still, it's one of my favorite Pumpkins albums.

[dodoz]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I'm also still surprised that Oceania has such a big following. It's such a neutered, bland attempt at trying to "return to their roots". Theres a few highlights like Violet Rays and the title track, but overall it's just really plain and boring.

Because Billy said it was a masterpiece weeks/months before it was even released. For some reason, the fans and the press swallowed it whole. I can't listen to "Oceania" in one sitting. Lame, lame album.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by ninsp

It's pretty proggy and grand in scope. It is a really good album that is held down by the Pumpkins moniker. It just doesn't feel like a Pumpkins album, and that's it's major problem. Still, it's one of my favorite Pumpkins albums.

Theres just no cohesion in the musicianship. Byrne and Nicole never seem to lock in with each other and then theres just Billy doing his thing and it all sounds underwhelming. Whether it's Byrnes fault or not, Billy was never really able to dial it in with him.

Monuments sounds much more cohesive and tight. It's only too bad that the lyrical approach is so straightforward. But it's a lot more sonically pleasing. It blows Oceania outta the water as far as I'm concerned.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by dodoz

Because Billy said it was a masterpiece weeks/months before it was even released. For some reason, the fans and the press swallowed it whole. I can't listen to "Oceania" in one sitting. Lame, lame album.

Yeah, I heard all the hype and I really wanted to like it. In fact at first I was happy cause it was a clear upgrade from the total dog-shit of Teargarden... But I'd listen to it and it just fell flat... Even the couple of songs that I "liked" wore off in a hurry.

It just reeked of Corgan going through the motions with a bottom feeder backing band.

[fuzzyroes]

I honestly think the Panopticon is one of the most embarrassing songs Corgans ever wrote. It was like he was determined to go back to the Siamese Dream vibe to prove that he could, but the result is something that's just so bland, sterile and boring. The hooks and melodies are so weak, no surprises, no peaks and valleys to keep the listener interested... Just a total fail as far as I'm concerned.

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Theres just no cohesion in the musicianship. Byrne and Nicole never seem to lock in with each other and then theres just Billy doing his thing and it all sounds underwhelming. Whether it's Byrnes fault or not, Billy was never really able to dial it in with him.

Monuments sounds much more cohesive and tight. It's only too bad that the lyrical approach is so straightforward. But it's a lot more sonically pleasing. It blows Oceania outta the water as far as I'm concerned.

The best thing about Oach is that it has that Pumpkins warmth about it. And there's a glimmer of integrity hidden in there

MTAE is cold heartless spreadsheets and synths and Jeff

Just look at the album covers

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by ninsp

It's pretty proggy and grand in scope. It is a really good album that is held down by the Pumpkins moniker. It just doesn't feel like a Pumpkins album, and that's it's major problem. Still, it's one of my favorite Pumpkins albums.

Idk about "really" good, but I enjoyed it

[chuckhagel]

Originally Posted by Ram27

MTAE is cold heartless spreadsheets and synths and Jeff

Just look at the album covers

This is the most accurate and concise description I've heard someone do about MTAE.