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Old 06-25-2019, 07:41 AM   #1
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Default Songs that use the octave finger pattern

This guitar fingering shape was probably billy's biggest contribution to guitar/songwriting. It's a nifty little trick and I don't see any other guitarists use it as much as billy does.
The beatles were known for using the major and the minor chord in the same song (think creep by radiohead). I have the idea that Nirvana deserves credit for using/abusing the 5 chord, where the major/minor status of a chord is truly undefined and the melody forces it's status to change at any moment. From a songwriting state that is pretty clever. I think billy tried to take it one reductive step further by making it simply an octave chord... but with a drone note the effect becomes something completely different.
kudos to you billy.


here's a short list of songs that make heavy use of this technique:

Rhinoceros
Tristessa
Cherub Rock
Hummer
Geek U.S.A.
Silverfuck
Zero
1979
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:57 AM   #2
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Freak comes to my immediate mind

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:58 AM   #3
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:03 AM   #4
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:23 AM   #5
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:27 AM   #6
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(come to my immediate mind)

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:10 AM   #7
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LOL Billy's biggest contribution

you know he got this from Jazz guitarists in the 30s-40s right?

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:22 AM   #8
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How do you know Jazz musicians in the 30s and 40s didn't listen to that MEGALOTHONAL riff in porcelina thanks to a time machine?

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:02 PM   #10
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:32 PM   #11
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:42 PM   #12
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Porcelina, here is no why, chorus of tales of a scorched earth has some, etc.

Yeah Wes Montgomery was ripping off billy big time.

As far as defining chords, depends on song, but heís more defining tonality of a mode, like cherub rock itís a riff on e mixolydian, silverfuck d mixolydian, etc.

He also uses it a lot in guitar leads, thereís moments in geek USA, soma. That shiz all over Siamese dream

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:43 PM   #13
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Also where the fuck in for Martha is there an octave riff?

 
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Old 06-25-2019, 10:45 PM   #14
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The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:07 AM   #15
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The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult
Those are single notes. Iíd call you an idiot but I think by now you know that.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:08 AM   #16
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Lol at “mostly.” Like, NONE of them are octaves.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:09 AM   #17
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E Mixolydian. D Mixolydian. Octaves. I have no idea what any of this means and it scares me.

 
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I can’t be bothered to listen to freak but if memory serves right I don’t even think that has octaves?

 
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Does that primary riff in inkless come from octaves? Friekin gorgeous riff

 
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I think so but Iíll listen

Superchrist is another one. And United States.

 
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The guitar break down is mostly octaves, ya dult
your immediate mind wasn't doing you favours here, was it

 
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eggsactly. one of the songs I could play quickly when I started playing guitar

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 06:54 AM   #25
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Yeah this thread is amazing. How about octaves are ubiquitous with music, just like every other interval. Billy corgans Music is overloaded with perfect fifths. Did he contribute power chords or was it green day or the ramones? Also: Wes Montgomeryís octave game is miles beyond Billyís. This thread sucks. Letís talk about jimmy drumming, thatís impressive, not Billyís half baked pseudosabbath/Hendrix riffage

 
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Yeah Billy sucks, he isn't even a good guitarist. I've wasted my life.

 
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Old 06-26-2019, 07:33 AM   #27
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No it's not.

And it's dolt.

 
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Old 07-01-2019, 09:55 PM   #28
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Hendrix used it way more than just about anyone. There was actually controversy in Guitar World back in 93' when Billy called the E octave at the 11th fret the "pumpkin chord" and hoards of angry people wrote letters telling him off and Steve Lukather talked shit about Billy in one of the following issues. Lol

 
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Hendrix used it way more than just about anyone. There was actually controversy in Guitar World back in 93' when Billy called the E octave at the 11th fret the "pumpkin chord" and hoards of angry people wrote letters telling him off and Steve Lukather talked shit about Billy in one of the following issues. Lol
been waiting for someone to say this!
he said it was Hendrix inspired but I don't know if that was before or after he said it was the pumpkins chord

 
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