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Old 02-16-2018, 03:53 PM   #1
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Talking Pitchfork: 5 Times Billy Corgan Said Reunions Were Bullshit

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/5-tim...were-bullshit/

"At this point, there generally isn't much shame in shutting up and playing the hits—it makes everyone, from the fans to the booking agents, overjoyed, and pretty much every band is doing it. But in the case of the Smashing Pumpkins, it’s hard not to remember all the times over the course of the past decade that Corgan has explicitly shit on other bands doing exactly what he is now doing."

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:12 PM   #2
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can someone quote here what apologists say in response to that article? like I'm sure there will be OUTRAGE

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:15 PM   #3
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Here, then, are five of Corgan's most notable burns-turned-self-owns:
ahaha, that goes on my vocabulary list.

hard to decide which of those I like better
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Ka-ching, cashing in. Maybe that’s why they were obsessed with integrity, because they didn’t have any. We play just as many old songs as any other band. And we should; we have some great songs from the past and I understand people come to the shows, they want to hear those songs too. But if that is the story, then I’m dead as an artist and there’s no future for my band, so what the fuck am I doing standing there? I’m nothing but a rodeo clown doing the act from 25 years ago. That’s not why I got into this, and I don’t like that expectation. As far as I’m concerned, fuck that expectation.

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Old 02-16-2018, 04:22 PM   #4
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rodeo clown tshirt plzzzz

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:29 PM   #5
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good.

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 04:57 PM   #6
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rodeo clown tshirt plzzzz
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4744/...473148cb_c.jpgRodeo by douglas adcock, on Flickr

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:04 PM   #7
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:11 PM   #8
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I wonder if since he made these statements when there was still bad blood between all of his ex band mates, this is his idea of saving face.

Like, they don't wanna be in the band with me? Fine! It's a stupid idea anyway! *takes ball and goes home*

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:19 PM   #9
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And now's where he goes

"But it's not a reunion tour technically" (except with more passive-aggressive anger)

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:44 PM   #10
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"I meant reunions that actually reunite all their members are shameless. Leaving one out makes it art."

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:47 PM   #11
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I usually hate Pitchfork, but YES!!!

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:49 PM   #12
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either that or he blames "Billy" for having opinions that "William Patrick, father & businessman" does not

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 05:53 PM   #13
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“The Pumpkins won’t be a nostalgia act, we refuse to be.” He added, “That would be the true death of the Smashing Pumpkins.
To try to be fair, isn't he doing this tour to kill the band/name? Maybe I am misunderstanding the intentions, but isn't the SP name going to be done after this?

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:02 PM   #14
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All Pitchfork cares about is R&B these days

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:07 PM   #15
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An Arising was already taken

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:08 PM   #16
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To try to be fair, isn't he doing this tour to kill the band/name? Maybe I am misunderstanding the intentions, but isn't the SP name going to be done after this?
after 30 years it's probably time to move on. i kinda wish there could be a final and awesome album if this is the case, but i guess i'll see what happens.

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:09 PM   #17
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i kinda wish there could be a final and awesome album if this is the case,
machina reissue. seriously.

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:11 PM   #18
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To try to be fair, isn't he doing this tour to kill the band/name? Maybe I am misunderstanding the intentions, but isn't the SP name going to be done after this?
Nope, he said he wants it to be a "rebirth" or something; see new press release

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:13 PM   #19
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machina reissue. seriously.
uh I'd like to see that released

but if he's actually going to remix that all like he said he will it's going to be machina in oceania style at best. don't get your hopes up

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:13 PM   #20
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Nope, he said he wants it to be a "rebirth" or something; see new press release

oh god

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:14 PM   #21
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Hypocritical probably but whatever I’m just ready to rock. He’ll spin it as different than just a reunion.

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:18 PM   #22
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ARE YOU READY TO ROCK

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:42 PM   #23
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Wait, I'm not ready, I need to tie my shoelaces, hold the rock for a moment please

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:45 PM   #24
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OK TAKE A MOMENT TO TIE YOUR SHOELACES, GET COMFORTABLE IN YOUR WHEELCHAIRS, FILL OUT YOUR BINGO CARDS. ARE YOU NOW READY TO ROCK?!

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:09 PM   #25
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uh I'd like to see that released

but if he's actually going to remix that all like he said he will it's going to be machina in oceania style at best. don't get your hopes up
To be fair, the MCIS remaster is outstanding. The Gish/SD/Adore ones are whatever, but MCIS was an improvement. The Machina original mix is a similar mess in some ways.

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:17 PM   #26
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To be fair, the MCIS remaster is outstanding. The Gish/SD/Adore ones are whatever, but MCIS was an improvement. The Machina original mix is a similar mess in some ways.
but if I'm not mistaken he wasn't just going to remaster, but remix the whole thing?

I don't care much about the existing mixes anyway. I believe it could be improved upon a big deal but I don't believe that's gonna happen

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:19 PM   #27
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Nope, he said he wants it to be a "rebirth" or something; see new press release
Probably all those demos he made with Jimmy.

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:26 PM   #28
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"Smashing Pumpkins announce first tour since 2000"

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...our-since-2000

lol wtf

Forbes brings the real talk though:

"without Wretzky onboard, this is just Corgan’s latest incarnation of the Pumpkins, assembled to propel him from theaters back to the arenas he so desperately wants to fill"

"despite all his rage, Corgan’s still just a sellout onstage.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryanro.../#55861705a967

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Old 02-16-2018, 07:41 PM   #29
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Probably all those demos he made with Jimmy.
i partially believe that part of the decline of BC has to do with the lack of demo material leaked or released post-2007

 
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:05 PM   #30
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i blame it on wearing shorts in the zwan dvd

 
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