Official Turkoup Thread

redbreegull · 07-15-2016, 06:50 PM

wow, shit is crazy.

TuralyonW3 · 07-15-2016, 09:07 PM

The hits keep comin

MyOneAndOnly · 07-15-2016, 09:35 PM

somebody gots to do something

http://66.media.tumblr.com/c7dd43101...qxggo1_500.gif

FoolofaTook · 07-21-2016, 07:36 PM

man i wish i was on the bosphorus right now, smoking a "hookah" surreptitiously crammed full of golden Nepalese hash, watching the coup unfold.

FoolofaTook · 07-21-2016, 07:36 PM

i dont know why i would be smoking nepalese hash in turky but o well

its all them AY-rab countries right?

Disco King · 07-21-2016, 08:13 PM

From what I'm hearing, it wasn't even the entire military that was attempting a coup, but some elite members of it. Many of the subordinates were under the impression that they were being mobilized because of a terrorist attack.

Regardless of the fact that opposition parties, civil society, and many in the military denounced the coup, Erdogan will still use it as an excuse to suspend liberties and tighten his grip even more, and will probably go after the opposition.

What I find interesting about media coverage of regime changes or attempted regime changes in foreign nations is that most outlets don't seem to place any emphasis on reporting where the populace stands on the issue. We hear about the military and the government, but few of the reports I looked at mentioned which side the citizens preferred, if either. Though it looks like most Turks did not support the coup, it seems most are also for secular liberal democracy, as opposed to Erdogan's bend toward Islamism and autocracy.

redbreegull · 07-21-2016, 08:35 PM

Erdogan is staggeringly popular with older people and those living in rural areas. He is reviled by the younger generation and urban liberals in Ankara and Istanbul, but right now the breakdown, at least in terms of people who get out and voice political opinions, is in favor of Erdogan.

I don't think the media really knows the extent of the coup. Initial reports from EU officials were that it was massive in scale and very well organized, but it only took a few hours for the whole thing to unravel. It is most likely many people in the military had no idea what they were being deployed for, but I'm also not sure the coup was as limited as Erdogan says (his actions speak differently, the "purge" has claimed tens of thousands of people).

There is nothing positive from this outcome. The situation in Turkey will get worse (unless you love authoritarianism and right wing Islamism), the regional situation will get worse, and Turkey's relationship with the West will become more strained. Best case scenario is that Erdogan's crackdown and de-democratization will cause a serious backlash that presents a more serious challenge to his rule.

Disco King · 12:57 AM

Disco King · 07-23-2016, 01:32 AM

The disparity between the seemingly-small scale of the coup attempt and the purge of military officials makes me wonder if Erdogan is using this an an excuse to get rid of some inconvenient people by linking them to the coup.

Also, the U.S. seems to be chastising Erdogan for his heavy hand with the military, which is more than they did back when Erdogan was bombing civilians. I'm not very up to snuff with the politics of this country. Is the U.S.'s NATO relationship with Turkey primarily with the military itself, or Erdogan?

MyOneAndOnly · 07-23-2016, 09:30 AM

NATO is a treaty organization. the Treaty is with the nation of Turkey, not the military

07-15-2016, 06:50 PM	#1
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	Official Turkoup Thread wow, shit is crazy.

07-22-2016, 12:56 AM	#8
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07-21-2016, 08:13 PM	#6
Disco King Minion of Satan Location: Banned Posts: 8,875	From what I'm hearing, it wasn't even the entire military that was attempting a coup, but some elite members of it. Many of the subordinates were under the impression that they were being mobilized because of a terrorist attack. Regardless of the fact that opposition parties, civil society, and many in the military denounced the coup, Erdogan will still use it as an excuse to suspend liberties and tighten his grip even more, and will probably go after the opposition. What I find interesting about media coverage of regime changes or attempted regime changes in foreign nations is that most outlets don't seem to place any emphasis on reporting where the populace stands on the issue. We hear about the military and the government, but few of the reports I looked at mentioned which side the citizens preferred, if either. Though it looks like most Turks did not support the coup, it seems most are also for secular liberal democracy, as opposed to Erdogan's bend toward Islamism and autocracy.

07-21-2016, 08:35 PM	#7
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	Erdogan is staggeringly popular with older people and those living in rural areas. He is reviled by the younger generation and urban liberals in Ankara and Istanbul, but right now the breakdown, at least in terms of people who get out and voice political opinions, is in favor of Erdogan. I don't think the media really knows the extent of the coup. Initial reports from EU officials were that it was massive in scale and very well organized, but it only took a few hours for the whole thing to unravel. It is most likely many people in the military had no idea what they were being deployed for, but I'm also not sure the coup was as limited as Erdogan says (his actions speak differently, the "purge" has claimed tens of thousands of people). There is nothing positive from this outcome. The situation in Turkey will get worse (unless you love authoritarianism and right wing Islamism), the regional situation will get worse, and Turkey's relationship with the West will become more strained. Best case scenario is that Erdogan's crackdown and de-democratization will cause a serious backlash that presents a more serious challenge to his rule.

07-23-2016, 01:32 AM	#9
Disco King Minion of Satan Location: Banned Posts: 8,875	The disparity between the seemingly-small scale of the coup attempt and the purge of military officials makes me wonder if Erdogan is using this an an excuse to get rid of some inconvenient people by linking them to the coup. Also, the U.S. seems to be chastising Erdogan for his heavy hand with the military, which is more than they did back when Erdogan was bombing civilians. I'm not very up to snuff with the politics of this country. Is the U.S.'s NATO relationship with Turkey primarily with the military itself, or Erdogan?

07-23-2016, 09:30 AM	#10
MyOneAndOnly Shut the fuck up! Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor Posts: 23,882	NATO is a treaty organization. the Treaty is with the nation of Turkey, not the military