Was Billy using amphetamines 2007-2008?

[reprise85]

i feel like most of them have potential but the only one that wasn't fucked up in the studio is neverlost.

with better production and better choices on embellishments the album could have been awesome. there's a 4/5 album buried in there if you produce it well and switch some bsides in there for other songs.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by great poster

i wanna see him grow out his hair again. his hairline is receded as hell now but i don't care, i just wanna see it.

He's pretty much just bald as a cue-ball now. I remember there was a shot of him around 2007 or 8 where you could see it and it was just the classic horse-shoe baldness with the only hair on the back and sides.

[Modern90's]

Do you guys think he has a plan to "remaster" zietgiest after he puts out the machina rerelease?

[Modern90's]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

He's pretty much just bald as a cue-ball now. I remember there was a shot of him around 2007 or 8 where you could see it and it was just the classic horse-shoe baldness with the only hair on the back and sides.

He needs to say "fuck it" one day and grow out his hair

[houseofglass11]

He could easily afford to get a hair treatment to grow all his hair back. Chris Martin, for instance, was going bald like all wimpy jude law type british guys do and he obviously had some sort of treatment to stop it.

[pavementtune]

jesus, there is nothing wrong with bald, it looks good. why the fuck would he go through hair treatment? or are you folks just taking the piss?

[dreams of glass]

I like Tarantula better than I used to. That chugging rhythm guitar going through the whole song is pretty cool. The breakdown is rad as someone else said. Considering that ZG was supposed to be a "no frills, grab you the balls, instantly accessible" SP album, it feels like Tarantula was the blueprint for this, all the other songs are variations, more or less.

[Catherine Wheel]

Chris Martin seems to have a receding hairline. He's not going bald but it's definitely receding.

[Gollum]

In response to the original question, Jimmy and Billy started exercising together when the Pumpkins reformed. I would be willing to guess that this was the one and only time Billy ever exercised in his life. The combination of vegan and exercise is probably what made him so thin.

[Phoenix Down]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

i'd seen some of the early reactions to z
in retrospect it's kinda scary, considering how negative attitudes toward that album became. it's like something was put into the air

That's not entirely true. I wrote the first review on Netphoria cause I had an early press copy and I told you how it sucked balls really hard.

[Modern90's]

Zeitgeist isnt terrible it is just WAY over produced

[Phoenix Down]

So is Siamese Dream and it's a great album. What now?

[killtrocity]

Butch Vig amplified the guitar sound. RTB amplified Billy's vocals.

It's not so much a matter of over-production, as the production embelishing Billy's weakness as an artist rather than his strength

Jimmy's drumming is buried in the mix on ZG while Billy's rough as shit god awful vox drown them out.

Instead of million guitar overdub, we got the million bolly choir.

RTB style production works on a guy like Freddie fuckin Mercury, on bolly it's just grating

[slunken]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

Butch Vig amplified the guitar sound. RTB amplified Billy's vocals.

It's not so much a matter of over-production, as the production embelishing Billy's weakness as an artist rather than his strength

Jimmy's drumming is buried in the mix on ZG while Billy's rough as shit god awful vox drown them out.

Instead of million guitar overdub, we got the million bolly choir.

RTB style production works on a guy like Freddie fuckin Mercury, on bolly it's just grating

Don't blame RTB. This started with The Future Embrace with a certain personnel and continued thereafter. RTB just recorded the fucking thing.

zeitgeist personnel

Roy Thomas Baker – production and recording (tracks 6, 9, 12), additional production (tracks 5, 12), mixing
Terry Date – production (tracks 4, 8, 10, 11), recording (except tracks 6, 9)
Bruce Dickson, Justin Corrigan – photo shoot art supervision
Shepard Fairey – cover art, back cover design
Amber Griffin – photo shoot hair and makeup
Stephen Marcussen – mastering
Cynthia Obsenares – photo shoot costume design
Chris Owens, Kevin Mills, Alex Pavlides, Zephyrus Sowers, Bo Joe, Davey Rieley – assistant engineering
Vanessa Parr, Noel Zancanella – mix assistance and assistant engineering
Matt Taylor – package art direction and design
Bjorn Thorsrud – recording (tracks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12), mix assistance
Christina Wagner – photo shoot producer


tfe personnel


Todd Brodie - Assistant engineer
P. R. Brown - Photography and design
Nikola Dokic - Assistant engineer
Bon Harris - Programming, producer
Roger Lian - Final digital editing
Brian Liesegang - Additional programming
Ron Lowe - Mix engineer
John Maschoff - Assistant engineer
Alan Moulder - Mixing
Dave Rieley - Assistant engineer
Bjorn Thorsrud - Producer, mixing, engineer
Matt Walker - Additional programming
Paul PDub Walton - Recording of Robert Smith's parts
Howie Weinberg - Mastering


oceania


Geoff Benge – guitar technician
David Bottrill – mixing
Balthazar de Ley – studio technician
Kevin Dippold – engineer, backing vocals
Ryan Grostefon – engineer
Bob Ludwig – mastering
Greg Norman – studio technician
Richard Shay – photography
Bjorn Thorsrud – producer
Noel Waggener – art direction
Sam Wiewel – engineer
Jason Willwerth – assistant


monuments


The Smashing Pumpkins

Billy Corgan – vocals, guitar, bass guitar, keyboards and synthesizers
Jeff Schroeder – guitar

Studio musicians

Tommy Lee – drums

Production

Howard Willing – production
David Bottrill – mixing
Howie Weinberg – mastering



now tell me how many of those names are repeating

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Modern90's

He needs to say "fuck it" one day and grow out his hair

For sure. Guys just gotta rock a mad skullet. People would get a kick out of it and it would actually have some people talkin' about him again.

[BurtSampson]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

Butch Vig amplified the guitar sound. RTB amplified Billy's vocals.

It's not so much a matter of over-production, as the production embelishing Billy's weakness as an artist rather than his strength

Jimmy's drumming is buried in the mix on ZG while Billy's rough as shit god awful vox drown them out.

Instead of million guitar overdub, we got the million bolly choir.

RTB style production works on a guy like Freddie fuckin Mercury, on bolly it's just grating

I listened to Doomsday Clock loudly in my car for the first time in years today. It's hilarious how the intro just kinda farts its way in and doesn't explode like you think it's supposed to. I also forgot how bad Billy's vocals are. He sounds like hes talking into the mic the entire time

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

RTB style production works on a guy like Freddie fuckin Mercury, on bolly it's just grating

This is what Zakk Wylde had to say about working with RTB in the 80s:

“When we first went into the studio, I remember being so excited, like, ‘Wow, we’re working with Roy Thomas Baker! He worked with Brian May!’ I was thinking that this was where all the magic was gonna happen. But pretty early on, I knew that wasn’t going to be the case. There was one time I was listening back to some guitar tracks, and I said to Roy, ‘Dude, we need more meat on my guitar tone.’ And I remember he turns to me and goes, ‘Well, Zakk, hit the “meat” knob.’

RTB eventually walked out in the middle of the sessions, and they had to redo the entire album because it sounded like shit.

[Modern90's]

So what drugs has billy been on through the years I know he talked about using before but never specified what he used. I'm pretty sure he doesn't use them now 'cause the only thing he's addicted to is cheeseburgers, writing shitty music, pissing the old fans off, and whining in pointless interviews.

[Modern90's]

Oh and wrasslin'

[toase]

* * * untr00 fan alert * * *

[werideatdusk]

Zeitgeist reissue could be really good.

Oceania and TFE are the only post 2000 albums that I can listen to without reservation. its a shame. billys finally losing me, a longtime oboarder who even defended oddities like "Astral Planes" and "Come On Let's Go"...

ah well, life goes on

[gyang333]

Come On (Let's Go!) is fantastic. Even FOL was decent.

[Ram27]

Such a bad title though

[freshfacedyouth]

i feel the same, dusk. i'm into most of the post-2000 work, even if most of it pales in comparison to billy's 90s work. but monuments... this is the first album i've ever heard from billy that, while it has its moments and has some good, addictive songs, it just isn't doing it for me. i'm already tired out after 3 or 4 full listens. it's just not deep enough of a work to return to, like i like my pumpkins albums to be. it's a real shame, and all i ask is that day for night is, at the very least, a slight improvement over oceania.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by slunken

Don't blame RTB. This started with The Future Embrace with a certain personnel and continued thereafter. RTB just recorded the fucking thing.

zeitgeist personnel

Roy Thomas Baker – production and recording (tracks 6, 9, 12), additional production (tracks 5, 12), mixing
Terry Date – production (tracks 4, 8, 10, 11), recording (except tracks 6, 9)
Bruce Dickson, Justin Corrigan – photo shoot art supervision
Shepard Fairey – cover art, back cover design
Amber Griffin – photo shoot hair and makeup
Stephen Marcussen – mastering
Cynthia Obsenares – photo shoot costume design
Chris Owens, Kevin Mills, Alex Pavlides, Zephyrus Sowers, Bo Joe, Davey Rieley – assistant engineering
Vanessa Parr, Noel Zancanella – mix assistance and assistant engineering
Matt Taylor – package art direction and design
Bjorn Thorsrud – recording (tracks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12), mix assistance
Christina Wagner – photo shoot producer


tfe personnel


Todd Brodie - Assistant engineer
P. R. Brown - Photography and design
Nikola Dokic - Assistant engineer
Bon Harris - Programming, producer
Roger Lian - Final digital editing
Brian Liesegang - Additional programming
Ron Lowe - Mix engineer
John Maschoff - Assistant engineer
Alan Moulder - Mixing
Dave Rieley - Assistant engineer
Bjorn Thorsrud - Producer, mixing, engineer
Matt Walker - Additional programming
Paul PDub Walton - Recording of Robert Smith's parts
Howie Weinberg - Mastering


oceania


Geoff Benge – guitar technician
David Bottrill – mixing
Balthazar de Ley – studio technician
Kevin Dippold – engineer, backing vocals
Ryan Grostefon – engineer
Bob Ludwig – mastering
Greg Norman – studio technician
Richard Shay – photography
Bjorn Thorsrud – producer
Noel Waggener – art direction
Sam Wiewel – engineer
Jason Willwerth – assistant


monuments


The Smashing Pumpkins

Billy Corgan – vocals, guitar, bass guitar, keyboards and synthesizers
Jeff Schroeder – guitar

Studio musicians

Tommy Lee – drums

Production

Howard Willing – production
David Bottrill – mixing
Howie Weinberg – mastering



now tell me how many of those names are repeating

Actually the truth is the shitty sound and production started on Adore when Bjorn Thorsud joined the team. It's been downhill ever since they hooked up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Thorsrud