Could MACHINA have been better?

[smashingjj]

anyone have decent mp3's for me? Of the friends and enemies of modern music tape, that is.

For some reason mine don't play on my iPod, which I will use to terrorize customers with tomorrow. URGENT

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

just listened to judas ø again

listening to 17 for the first time in 1998 and blissed and gone for the first time in 2001, it seems as though a lifetime happened in between

Judas Ø is great!
I bought the Rarities & B-Sides collection off Qobuz since they had lossless. Over 100 tracks, singles/b-sides and includes TAFH and Judas Ø.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

03 Eye (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)

nobody cares where you took (shamalam!) it from.

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

nobody cares where you took (shamalam!) it from.

There is a good reason why I included which release I took certain extra songs from. If you actually listened to Eye on the Adore reissue, you would have noticed that is it a different mix, not simply just a remaster. I prefer the original mix from the Lost Highway/Rarities & B-Sides release. Also the version of Blissed And Gone that I like is not on the Adore reissue. Waiting is also cranked a bit more on the reissue like many of the bonus material from these reissues. I prefer their original masters over their newer remasters. Apologies it upset you so much.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

rarities and b-sides doesn't contain original masters though.
all tracks have been remastered.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

. Waiting is also cranked a bit more on the reissue like many of the bonus material from these reissues. I prefer their original masters over their newer remasters.

This is true. A lot of the Adore bonus tracks clip and distort.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

Apologies it upset you so much.

TOO LATE FOR SORRY NOW

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

The 2-disc one called "Glass and The Ghost Machine" is pretty good tho, and I know I've seen a couple on here that put in what looked like some serious work into constructing whatever plot they'd put out there while also managing a sort of musical flow/thematic continuity but I haven't quite listened to all of them

Edit: as soon as I went to fetch a link for GATMOG, i look in the notes file I had for it and the credit was to soniclovenoize. so, well, thanks guy!

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[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

now this I'd be interested in. you don't strike me as the type that makes dream playlists of un- or differently released albums and then also has them on MP3 somewhere. but if somehow I'm wrong, I'd be very interested in hearing them.

lol

Check your PM

[johncg]

Originally Posted by slunken

This is true. A lot of the Adore bonus tracks clip and distort.

“Loud at any volume”

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by incubator

I'm sure it could've been better but if you consider it to be a bad record I don't think there's any combination of songs that would've made it a good record.

If they'd recorded Glass Theme, Dross, Cash Car Star or whatever for Machina 1 they'd most likely have been slow, weird sounding versions because the band seemingly wanted a slow, weird sounding record.

You might very well be right.

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

The only thing I know for sure about my own ideal Machina record would be the version of BSBT that would go on it



2 good

GREAT version!!!

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

ORIGINAL THREAD

I'm new

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by BurtSampson

Great thread. Next do one about your ideal Mellon Collie tracklist with songs from TAFH added!

Don't tempt me good sir! But in all seriousness, TAFH would have made a great stand alone record by itself.

[Disco King]

Why not just do the reissue by putting Machina on one disc, and Machina II on another? Who cares if it was originally supposed to be a double album or whatever the story is? It wasn't released that way, and the original intention can never be fulfilled because not even present-day Corgan can be certain what 2000 Corgan would have ended up doing if the label let him have his way. You really think a reorganized album would reflect its original intention more than it reflects Corgan's current outlook and decisions?

Just remaster the shit, maybe remix the tracks that need to be remixed, add the b-sides, outtakes, and demos as bonus discs, and throw in some concert DVDs. Like they've done for every other reissue. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

>But muh perfectly tracklisted definitive Machina as it was always meant to be!

Hahaha, shut up.

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

wait wtf hold the

how come I never heard that

I just downloaded a thing off soulseek containing this version called The Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music which is something completely different from machina 2 and the ep's

listening now, how the hell did it take 18+ years for me to find out about this?

Me and you both!

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Why not just do the reissue by putting Machina on one disc, and Machina II on another? Who cares if it was originally supposed to be a double album or whatever the story is? It wasn't released that way, and the original intention can never be fulfilled because not even present-day Corgan can be certain what 2000 Corgan would have ended up doing if the label let him have his way. You really think a reorganized album would reflect its original intention more than it reflects Corgan's current outlook and decisions?

Just remaster the shit, maybe remix the tracks that need to be remixed, add the b-sides, outtakes, and demos as bonus discs, and throw in some concert DVDs. Like they've done for every other reissue. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

>But muh perfectly tracklisted definitive Machina as it was always meant to be!

Hahaha, shut up.

I love Machina 1 and 2 so I'm game for a big deluxe version. It;s one of those records we can all pick apart and have different opinions about. Still, some grand music in all the mess and shuffle!

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

I made a slightly more electronic-based 17 track Adore tracklist that I quite enjoy that mostly keeps the original order with other tracks in certain places.

01 To Sheila
02 Ava Adore
03 Eye (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
04 Perfect
05 Daphne Descends
06 Saturnine (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
07 Tear
08 Crestfallen
09 Waiting (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
10 Appels + Oranjes
11 Pug
12 Shame
13 Behold! The Night Mare
14 For Martha
15 Blank Page
16 Blissed And Gone (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
17 17

Cool Adore version! I think he should have saved Eye for Adore. It would have been a killer addition.

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

Combined Machina tracklist threads pop up all the time, along with singe-disc MCIS tracklists, so some people are jaded of seeing them. Don't be too put off by the snark.

I just threw everything together in a giant clusterfuck of a three-disc album because I tried to follow the intended GATMOG plot, such as it was supposed to be. I kinda pared it down to:

01. Glass' Theme
02. The Imploding Voice
03. Stand Inside Your Love
04. The Sacred And Profane
05. Real Love
06. Glass + The Ghost Children
07. Raindrops + Sunshowers
08. Let Me Give The World To You
09. Dross
10. Vanity
11. Speed Kills
12. Blue Skies Bring Tears

01. Heavy Metal Machine
02. Wound
03. Try, Try, Try
04. This Time
05. The Everlasting Gaze
06. In My Body
07. I Of The Mourning
08. If There Is A God
09. Slow Dawn
10. Home
11. Here's To The Atom Bomb
12. With Every Light
13. Age Of Innocence


Or something. I've got too much of an attachment to most of the songs out of this period. Can't cut it down to one disc.

It was definitely the most anticipated reissue because the others didn't really need remastering at all and he made a big point of saying it was going to come out in its intended tracklist. He said in the Q & A if it comes out it would use "Original mixes" so everything would probably sound closer to Arising versions. People actually do want this thing, either because they want to know the intended running order, or want the tracks cleaned up, or want everything to sound better meshed together. Pick a reason.

Of course I'm sure once the tracklist comes out people will hate it or disagree with it completely or just use the new playlist with the original released versions, but that's part of the fun.

Great post! I think its kind of like the Smile album by Brian Wilson/Beach Boys. It has a mythos to it of what coulda/shoulda been.

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Fuck that shit, here's your Arising album.

Glass Theme
Virex
Dross
Speed Kills
Blue Skies Bring Tears
Stand Inside Your Love
Glass + The Ghost Children
Wound
Cash Car Star
Home
If There Is A God
With Every Light

I could stand behind that!

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by solaraflame

Great post! I think its kind of like the Smile album by Brian Wilson/Beach Boys. It has a mythos to it of what coulda/shoulda been.

Don't even get me started.

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

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My only qualm, which I somehow only noticed today: you left off AoI

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

My only qualm, which I somehow only noticed today: you left off AoI

Yeah I recently saw Dudehitscar from the Oboard was bitching on reddit about that:

"Wah wah this song that was written after the concept was abandoned is totally still a part of this concept that ceased to exist. This is ALL wrong because of this one song!!"

Anyone is free to tag it onto then end or whatever but the song is not a part of the concept. I don't care how good it is. Doesn't belong there.

[Mals Marola]

Well the "OCD baby" in me liked that it was 14 & 14 but I might just have to do that
Already replaced the version of Speed Kills w/ the Stand Inside b-side but I wasn't even gonna mention that

[johncg]

Originally Posted by solaraflame

I'm new

So maybe when you join a new form you should get to know the culture and the thread history first instead of just posting indiscriminately.

[johncg]

Originally Posted by solaraflame

Great post! I think its kind of like the Smile album by Brian Wilson/Beach Boys. It has a mythos to it of what coulda/shoulda been.

Oceania-era Billy had a habit of comparing himself to Brian and The Beach Boys.

ITS HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johncg]

Worth watching:

https://youtu.be/VS0C0FjLCJo

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Well the "OCD baby" in me liked that it was 14 & 14 but I might just have to do that
Already replaced the version of Speed Kills w/ the Stand Inside b-side but I wasn't even gonna mention that

No worries, mileage will vary. I did some things wrong anyways, both Try Try Try and LMGTWTY are probably in the wrong spot and should be moved to either the "Loss of Balance" or "Descent/Lose Girl" plotpoints, and yeah Go can probably fuck right off honestly.

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by johncg

So maybe when you join a new form you should get to know the culture and the thread history first instead of just posting indiscriminately.

Sure thing

[solaraflame]

Originally Posted by johncg

Oceania-era Billy had a habit of comparing himself to Brian and The Beach Boys.

ITS HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, yes. It's me, the great punkin'. If you're good, I'll PM you ALL of Chicago Kid, including the aborted electro-thrash mixes