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07-24-2020, 08:49 AM | #1 |
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Does SP have a sound?
Is SP's problem with being musically relevant that they never really had a sound? In a lot of ways, they were like pop-rock stars, changing their style every few years in the 90s as styles changed. Sort of a cut-rate Bowie. The difference between Rocket and Ava Adore speaks to this. Is there really an SP sound? You can go back to a specific album, but those album styles are just reflections of bands that had actual sounds (like MBV or Rush or whatever for SD). No wonder they don't want them in the RRHoF. Seems the closest thing to a "sound" they have is 1979, hence the Ghosts (in the middle, oh).
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07-24-2020, 10:15 AM | #2 |
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Most of the post reunion albums have had that sort of inoffensive, almost "christian rock", Teargarden by Kaleidyscope, zero intensity sort of sound. The last 10+ years they've definitely had a sound, it's just not a very interesting or immediately identifiable one.
I feel one problem is MCIS - It covered so many sounds that all of the subsequent albums are "MCIS without the heavy songs" or "MCIS without the funny songs" or "MCIS without the good songs". And being such a big, varied album MCIS is probably more than enough SP for most people. Cut-rate Bowie is spot on really. WPC jumps around sound wise but hasn't really progressed past the sounds presented on MCIS. At this point in his career Bowie was playing with styles that simply didn't exist in the 70s. Shiny V1 and Earthling were done when WPC and Bowie were roughly the same age.. Says it all really. Another problem is that, let's be honest here, people want more Rat In A Cage or 1979 and to his credit WPC has refused to pander. Well, "Shiny and Oh So Bright Volume 1 : No Past, No Future, No Sun" maybe..but he's been fairly open about what Shiny is. Possibly they'd be more relevant if they'd just done a Foo Fighters. |
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07-24-2020, 10:23 AM | #3 |
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he's like if Bowie just got perpetually stuck in his 80s phase
but wow, SP obviously had a sound what you smokin' NF? |
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07-24-2020, 10:24 AM | #4 |
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more accurately, they had a sound then kind of abandoned it, but nevertheless, a sound was had!
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07-24-2020, 10:25 AM | #5 |
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yes they do, it's called silversun pickups
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07-24-2020, 10:40 AM | #6 |
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man classic tsp had a fuckin' stone-cold killer vibe
like liam gallagher in a fookin' parka and four day stubble |
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07-24-2020, 10:42 AM | #7 |
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Big Muff + Wall of Guitars would be it, init?
I mean that was SD only, and partially MCIS and Gish, but that's what people usually think when talking about the band. Last edited by Forgotten Child : 07-24-2020 at 11:02 AM. |
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07-24-2020, 10:46 AM | #8 |
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Billy made a distinct, conscious effort to change the sound of each album. He wanted each to be its own ‘movie ‘ with its own signature style and sound. He’s said this. If it sounded too much like Smashing Pumpkins they would rework the song. So it makes me wonder if doing this altered his course, obviously it did, effecting public image and HOF chances or defining “theSP sound”. Had he kept the sound the same, would SP be regarded more like Foo Fighters, RHCP, Pearl Jam, Metallica, etc...
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07-24-2020, 10:52 AM | #9 |
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pearl jam sound: EAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO
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07-24-2020, 10:54 AM | #10 | ||
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Thank you.
What sound was that? Quote:
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07-24-2020, 11:19 AM | #11 |
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Great thread. For big willie at this point in time, it’s clear he believes the “sound” of SP is his own vocal: he’s said as much in interviews
Which sucks, b/c that’s so dismissive of the power the original band used to possess |
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07-24-2020, 11:24 AM | #12 |
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the one created on Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces, and everything around those 3 releases. everything they did after was essentially spawned off of that sound, even if they ended up twisting it to various degrees (Adore had a similar airy, ethereal vocal sound but essentially eliminated the "RAWK," MCIS dialed back on the perfectionist tendencies, actually incorporated the full band & darkened everything considerably, lyrically & tonally)
so yeah, there's your S O U N D #nerdalert |
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07-24-2020, 11:33 AM | #13 |
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07-24-2020, 11:39 AM | #14 |
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how does this thread exist? have you ever listened to an SP record?
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07-24-2020, 02:31 PM | #15 |
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SP has several sounds. The one that is commonly called "the SP sound" is the Siamese Dream sound, though. That's the one that bands influenced by SP try to emulate. But you can still recognize their other sounds. For example, that fake bootleg demo posted here a while ago that was clearly emulating the MCIS sound and was obvioislt supposed to sound like something that might have ended up pasted into "Pastichio Medley."
I'd say it sounds more apparent that Corgan is a bit self-conscious about what the "SP sound" is and what he's "supposed to sound like," as releases like Zeitgeist and Oceania have a lot of carry-over from Siamese Dream and Machina. "We're the guys with the overlaid guitars and at least one long song on each album and a solo over the bridge, right?" This is further evidenced by the fact that Corgan now thinks that, despite writing the majority of SP material, all acoustic songs should be released under his solo moniker: the Smashing Pumpkins are supposed to be an electric rock band. |
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07-24-2020, 03:28 PM | #16 |
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Sound? You immediately recognize sp via bollys voice. But no chance without billy
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07-24-2020, 04:47 PM | #17 |
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07-24-2020, 06:08 PM | #18 | |
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07-24-2020, 07:30 PM | #19 |
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S I L V E R F O X |
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07-24-2020, 09:40 PM | #20 | |
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07-25-2020, 04:35 AM | #21 |
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Iha must play what billy has figured out.
He is a marionette. |
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07-25-2020, 06:40 AM | #22 |
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Dsus2
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07-25-2020, 10:49 AM | #23 |
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nope dont think so
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07-25-2020, 10:52 AM | #24 |
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Dsus is it,yes
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07-25-2020, 11:09 AM | #25 |
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They make sounds that's all I'm willing to concede.
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07-25-2020, 11:39 AM | #26 |
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it ain’t rock n roll
if it don’t got that Last edited by cork_soaker : 07-25-2020 at 04:37 PM. |
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07-25-2020, 01:07 PM | #27 |
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07-25-2020, 01:08 PM | #28 |
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Suspended chords are also really good for shoegaze.
Play those and major-chords with big reverb and you're pretty much dream pop already. |
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07-25-2020, 02:43 PM | #29 |
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Actually a big part of their sound is based off the Mixolydian mode (think of the riffs in Starla, Drown, and 1979). What's interesting is that i read somewhere that when Billy was learning guitar he tried to emulate that "Cure sounding scale".
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07-25-2020, 03:30 PM | #30 |
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