|
|
Register | Netphoria's Amazon.com Link | Members List | Mark Forums Read |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
05-08-2015, 12:41 PM | #1 |
Shut the fuck up!
Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor
Posts: 23,878
|
The Problem with England
Somebody explain to me why the English vote Conservative. I know they're cunts but there must be some other reason.
Here in the USA people do mainly because of racism and religious extremism. But how is it that a majority of UK voters would put in twice in a row for the austerity of the Tory party? As I understand it, the Tories are heavily favored by the English and not so much by the Scots and Welsh. Which would mean that the English in particular are overwhelmingly pro Conservative. Why would one of Europe's strongest Social Democracies so easily vote for such an awful platform? |
|
05-08-2015, 01:29 PM | #2 |
Minion of Satan
Location: "I'm a quivering collection of the worst and least helpful emotions: fear, anxiety, terror, paranoia, indigestion, dishpan hands..."
Posts: 7,765
|
nobody south of the border seems to give a shit (never mind know) we've been electing cons for nearly ten years now
ya i do realise the UK is a bigger world power but it HURTS me you guys don't care. I would hazard its more or les the same reason in the UK as it is in the US. It is in canada anyway. I think. |
|
05-08-2015, 03:49 PM | #3 |
Shut the fuck up!
Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor
Posts: 23,878
|
I don't know why Canadians would vote conservative. When I look to places like Toronto and the politics at play there I feel like I'm looking at a version of the United States, but worse. When it comes to the UK I doubt that the main motivation for the English is racism from 300 years of institutional slavery combined with Evangelical Protestantism. That's a rather American mixture of crazy.
Obvs there's a conservative economic culture that many in England prescribe to. But it's also a Social Democracy with a strong public education system and universal health care. I've known many many Brits and Scots and TBH I've never met one that seemed keen on voting conservative. I simply don't get it. What were the top issues that contributed to people voting Tory this time? |
|
05-08-2015, 06:02 PM | #4 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
|
|
|
05-08-2015, 06:16 PM | #5 |
Minion of Satan
Location: the institute
Posts: 6,421
|
it's pretty politically ignorant to believe that your entourage is statiscally representative.
and to answer your question, conservativism is not a racial issue. americans seem keen to make everything a racial issue, but the same problems exist everywhere. |
|
05-08-2015, 06:19 PM | #6 |
Netphoria's George Will
Location: Fenway Park
Posts: 37,109
|
Yes the only ones who vote conservative are racists. What on the hell.
|
|
05-08-2015, 08:41 PM | #7 | |
Banned
Location: stay, far, away
Posts: 8,986
|
Quote:
If it meant keeping Cameron in power, then they likely rigged the election. Cameron is up to his ears in many things, one of which is covering the"Lolita Express" pedo nonsense that Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton are wrapped up in. That thread if pulled hard enough unfolds the whole satanic aspect of what these adrenochrome sucking psychopaths do away from public view with their ritualistic nonsense. The western cabal of influence is being cornered out of the currency dominance they have enjoyed for at least a century now, if you start at the advent of the Federal Reserve. They are grasping to hold on to whatever power they can and do whatever they can to keep it that way: World Wars, Race Wars, Currency Wars, Weather Wars, rigging elections, you name it, they gotta do it. Why do think they need to put a Clinton on one side and a Bush on the other? To make sure they keep a lid on the all their crimes they've been doing together for a couple decades now. http://rense.com/1.imagesH/hang-(R).jpg |
|
|
05-08-2015, 08:49 PM | #8 |
Banned
Location: stay, far, away
Posts: 8,986
|
heh. I dunno, were those around in '92?
|
|
05-09-2015, 03:20 AM | #9 |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 3,562
|
it's because in a world of totally overwhelming, unprecedented and frequently changing and improvised concepts like global capital drift, multinational trade agreements and private trade tribunals, conservative policies are pretty much the only accessible narrative available. want your elected representatives to stand up to multinationals and exercise their position of power to perform their basic duties? conservatives can just claim they are going to "shut down the economy" or be "bad for families" or "unsafe for investment" and conversation's over. and they're right, because under the rules established by neoconservative economics, any admitted doubt over business as usual or any attempt at structural reform would and/or could cause some degree of self-inflicted market crash. so the only non-conservative options are straddling between what's left of union support and neocon-lite, or calling everything into question and establishing new market rules that put people before profits but would still be considered radical, while relentlessly calling every neocon threat as the bluff it is until a market collapse does occur but then everyone's ok and everything's better because it collapsed. or something like that, no one really knows because all of this is new and being made up as it goes. so either spend hours a week keeping informed and attempting to fight that fight for the rest of your life with no guarantee of results, or just vote conservative.
|
|
05-09-2015, 04:21 AM | #10 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
or smoke weed and bate
|
|
05-09-2015, 07:10 AM | #11 |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 1,130
|
I feel dreadful about the results, and quite a bit scared too. I hope I'm not unlucky, but another 5 years of Tory rule could really fuck my life up.
Wealthy people voted for the Tories out of self-interest. It's as simple as that. Everyone else is a target of right-wing propaganda by the British media. They set the terms of the debate, and Labour played along instead of presenting a different narrative to counter austerity. |
|
05-09-2015, 10:56 AM | #12 | |
Shut the fuck up!
Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor
Posts: 23,878
|
Quote:
It's the Southern Strategy. Economic conservatives who don't aknowledge that are either deluded or just plain stupid. It's an integral part of the republican party's National program. Just like appeasing southern racists was for Democrats prior to the 1960s. Without the backing of evangelicals and white racists the republican party would have a difficult time holding most of its seats in Congress. It's why the Democrats gradually lost power in the two decades following the Johnson administration. Republicans played to social conservatives and racists and those voters fled the democratic party. but all of that is very specific to American politics. What I'm asking is why do the English so heavily favor the Tories right now. Are they just assholes who want to shit on the Scots, Irish, Welsh, etc. Are English voters just so apathetic that they don't care? (there isn't a single Tory MP from Scotland, for example). The American media does a horrible job covering foreign elections. I've yet to read a clear description of what's gone on this election cycle in the UK Last edited by MyOneAndOnly : 05-09-2015 at 11:04 AM. |
|
|
05-09-2015, 01:45 PM | #13 | |
Ownz
Location: the diaspora
Posts: 669
|
Quote:
There are a few reasons: Labour being Tory(Lite) option with a less credible leader/chancellor Success of the SNP Tory bribes for a) high earners and b) housing association residents Press support for the narritive that Labour spent too much and caused a financial crash Liberal Democrats being almost wiped out |
|
|
05-09-2015, 03:07 PM | #14 |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 1,130
|
Let me rephrase that: wealthy people voted Tory out of self-interest. Everyone else who voted Tory did so against their own interests because of all the right wing propaganda in the media. This includes the myth that Labour caused the financial crash, that austerity works (it doesn't), and that Scotland siphons money out of England.
|
|
05-09-2015, 04:11 PM | #15 |
Ownz
Location: the diaspora
Posts: 669
|
I don't disagree with this although the trade unions should accept some blame for installing someone who could not win an election into the top job in the Labour Party. Not enough people had confidence in Ed Miliband.
|
|
05-09-2015, 05:21 PM | #16 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
its hilarious how leftism caused the recession in england but over here most people blame the republicans
but its bigger than that, and connected |
|
05-09-2015, 05:24 PM | #17 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
also funny since america spent money and uk didnt, now uks economy is sluggish and they blame immigrants and labour for some reason instead of austerity
good to see uk having their own bush years after having to listen to fucking brits tell us how much more enlightened they were for eight goddamn years ironic especially since blair's butt bumpin with gee dubya and going to iraq was the beginning of the end for labour labour reminds me of democrat party pre obama, milquetoast centrists with zero charisma and no ideas |
|
05-09-2015, 05:27 PM | #18 | |
Apocalyptic Poster
Location: some broken utopia
Posts: 2,055
|
Quote:
I think a lot of those people just decided "better the devil you know" and voted for the Tories on the day. Plus the Conservatives kept scaremongering, saying Labour would do a deal with the SNP. Miliband categorically ruled it out, but the Tories kept putting it into people's heads. And I think people were reluctant to get all excited about a potential Labour govt. and PM, after what happened with New Labour and Blair. There's also the Murdoch factor, in that (at least right now) his newspapers, etc., are still powerful propaganda machines for the Right. |
|
|
05-09-2015, 05:30 PM | #19 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
yeah the daily mail is a shameless propaganda rag
|
|
05-09-2015, 05:43 PM | #20 | |
Shut the fuck up!
Location: "Okay, white power feminist" - yo soy el mejor
Posts: 23,878
|
Quote:
i think in the US there will be a longer than usual memory for who was to blame for the last recession. Not that it'll be terribly accurate, since many moderate dems supported the deregulation of the finance industry. But the recesion seems to have tainted the republican pro business economic cred. the country in general used to buy into the idea that conservative economics was good for the economy. that's gone now for everyone except the party faithful. |
|
|
05-09-2015, 06:02 PM | #21 | |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 1,130
|
Quote:
That's all really great, Trots. I knew you, as our resident marxist, wouldn't let us down. |
|
|
05-09-2015, 06:45 PM | #22 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
yeah thats not what i was getting at, welcome to america you smug tossers
the whole time all of you contemptuous left wing assholes were bagging on the us as being backwards now the uk is indistinguishable |
|
05-09-2015, 06:47 PM | #23 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
the reason people dont like the left is because you hold poor and uneducated with contempt, thats especially true of "labour" in the uk
|
|
05-09-2015, 06:53 PM | #24 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
maybe i should have said ironic instead of good, but still fuck you bunch of fucks
this is the britain where morrissey votes ukip just as stupid and selfish and racist as the US but then again its fucking england so it always was |
|
05-09-2015, 07:02 PM | #25 |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 1,130
|
You do realize that all the white, middle-class British kids you were talking to 10 years ago are unlikely to suffer the consequences of a Tory government, right?
|
|
05-09-2015, 07:24 PM | #26 |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 1,130
|
I mean, I do understand being annoyed at the liberal middle class in England. I know better than you, trust me. At the end of the day, though, those aren't the people who will suffer the most under a conservative government. Depending on how they invest their money (if they can buy property to rent, for example), they might even be better off with the Tories.
I find the UK superior to America in a number of ways: we have the NHS; there's no real opposition to abortion; there are no religious extremists with political power; people can't own guns and are OK with that. But I think Americans are a lot more likely to be sophisticated when it comes to racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc. Here people seem to believe that only UKIPers ad Tories are bigots, leaving their own attitudes unexamined. |
|
05-09-2015, 08:15 PM | #27 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
i really dont think youre understanding my ironic use of "its good theyre having their own bush years"
americans are less sophisticated abt racism let me tell you, even the racists dont know they are racist you can fap away about bullshit like gun control but the corporations run parliament just like they do congress |
|
05-09-2015, 09:04 PM | #28 |
Apocalyptic Poster
Posts: 1,130
|
I'm not sure you know how to do irony, tbh. Yeah, it might be ironic that smug white males from across the pond don't have the liberal country they once believed they had. But this is not about them.
Speaking as a Brazilian, it'd be terribly out of place if I said, "Haha! Americans are so smug when they talk about our social problems - it's good that they are getting their own taste of police brutality in Baltimore." But you know as well as anyone that the ones being smug aren't the same ones who are being killed for being black outdoors. |
|
05-09-2015, 09:54 PM | #29 |
Banned
Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship.
Posts: 39,439
|
what the fuck are you talking about at this point
|
|
05-09-2015, 11:45 PM | #30 | |
Banned
Location: stay, far, away
Posts: 8,986
|
Quote:
Spoken like a well-seasoned freshman in the soft science of sociology. Nary a critical view of the great society and how the state supplanted black men as bread winners which has created generational government dependence upon a whole culture of african-americans. That's what drove Malcolm X to call out the white devil. He preached self-reliance which hastened the power structure to take him out. |
|
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
shit fuckers can type! | sickbadthing | General Chat Message Board | 60 | 05-23-2019 11:18 AM |
problem solved | dean_r_koontz | General Chat Archive | 59 | 03-05-2008 07:23 AM |
this <sp3 person is annoying | bardy | General Chat Archive | 52 | 01-15-2008 02:28 AM |
DID JACK JUST GET A SILENT CLOCK? | Effloresce | General Chat Archive | 24 | 05-22-2007 02:19 AM |
problem downloading mkwACT | deadaswarhol | Pumpkins Archive | 3 | 02-21-2006 10:11 PM |