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11-17-2016, 11:24 PM | #1 |
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Classic SP sell outs?
can anyone remember why that in the early 90s SP may have been seen as sell outs?
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11-17-2016, 11:28 PM | #2 |
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got signed to a fake indie label owned by virgin records
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11-17-2016, 11:30 PM | #3 |
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11-17-2016, 11:30 PM | #4 |
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11-18-2016, 01:30 AM | #5 |
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honestly who cares about labels? if the music is good it's good
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11-18-2016, 03:29 AM | #6 | |
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I just remember Kim Gordon's quote:
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11-18-2016, 07:55 AM | #7 |
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Earliest show -maybe the third?- opened for RHCP and Janes Addiction
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11-18-2016, 08:49 AM | #8 |
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11-18-2016, 09:28 AM | #9 |
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11-18-2016, 10:01 AM | #10 |
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on one side, with their image, attitude and music - they were representing something that was, at the time, considered alternative/underground/indie, but on the other side, billy was obviously very serious about getting the band into the mainstream, he wanted to be a rock star. which pretty much contradicts the somewhat pretentious attitude of the late 80s and early 90s quasi-alternative indie bands and their "we only care about music, not the money" attitude.
seriously, one of their first concerts (after jimmy joined) was opening for jane's addiction. which brings up a whole different story, how people have said that gish sounds like they were just jumping on the jane's addiction bandwagon, or that siamese dream was their "grunge record", and so on.. I don't judge billy for doing whatever he could to get the band a nice spot in the whole business. honestly I think it's dumb to act like you're an indie band if you're signed to a major label. |
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11-18-2016, 11:16 AM | #11 |
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this woulda been the reason there were people who saw them as sell-outs when they went on the "real" virgin records for SD, if anything
Bill at the very least had said several times they always wanted to be a "big band or no band," so only people who thought they got starry-eyed after Gish would have deemed 'em sell-outs for what they did afterward |
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11-18-2016, 11:33 AM | #12 |
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Maybe if he hadn't shit on everyone on the way up he would still have viable music career today.
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11-18-2016, 01:09 PM | #13 |
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i can't wait for your next insightful post, weasel
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11-19-2016, 03:14 AM | #14 |
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That was a weird schtick at the time for some dumb reason. Rock acts couldn't just come out as having signed with a major label for fear of being seen as artificial or manufactured. So the brilliant label executives/A&R guys came up with the wonderful idea of creating fake indie labels to serve as fronts and groups would release EPs or 'early' versions of their first album or whatever and then go 'major'.
Seems like a major waste of time, effort and money that did nothing but slow a group's productively down but whatever... apparently it was all the rage of coming from a label that was deemed to be 'indie'. I think this practice was used a lot... Fuel comes to mind and maybe Collective Soul and I wouldn't be surprised if SP was on that list too. |
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11-19-2016, 10:59 AM | #15 | |
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i mean, imagine if Gish was treated as their Siamese Dream like it was initially supposed to be. thing had nothing that could have really replaced Today, Disarm & Cherub as singles, and it wasn't trying to be that kind of record either |
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11-19-2016, 11:53 AM | #16 | |
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Did they have ANYTHING even close to 'traditional singles' in their repertoire in 1991 that they could have worked into radio hits? It's well documented that Billy had to learn how to write 'songs' after gish. I'll add that without the psychedelic muscle of Gish, I'm pretty sure SD would have been ignored upon release.. |
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11-19-2016, 12:05 PM | #17 | |
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Turned off a lot of once hardcore fans that I know in real life... Even though as we know Adore really doesn't fit the whole Ava Adore video vibe but to the general public they were just jumping on the bandwagon. |
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11-19-2016, 12:06 PM | #18 |
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Also the whole: "Rock and roll is dead. We're going techno now with our new album"
Even though as we know Adore isn't even techno but fucking B0lly was trying desperately to sell that it was. |
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11-19-2016, 12:08 PM | #19 | |
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11-19-2016, 12:11 PM | #20 |
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Sure they did. The singles were all traditional enough as far as 1991 alt-rock standards went. Fit in well enough with Janes Addiction and all that
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11-19-2016, 12:14 PM | #21 | |
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anytime you actually hear the guy saying that kind of stuff on record it's always followed by a snicker |
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11-19-2016, 12:16 PM | #22 |
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& i always thought Bill kinda oversold the fact that he had to learn to write "pop songs" or whatev after Gish, i thought he penned some pretty catchy shit both before & during that album, even if it wasn't always hashed out in particularly obvious/radio-friendly way
"Bleed" for example, pretty memorable hook both guitar & vocal |
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11-19-2016, 12:28 PM | #23 | |
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It was an arrogant move |
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11-19-2016, 12:30 PM | #24 | |
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11-19-2016, 12:32 PM | #25 | |
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"Yeah, we've been doing the loud rock thing for a long while now and we're super burnt out from it and I've been going through some sad and tough times so we've taken a more somber, delicate acoustic approach with the new record. But instead he was the original troll with "Rock is dead. It's all about techno now. That's why we made this album" |
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11-19-2016, 12:42 PM | #26 |
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you're quoting yourself? no one wants to talk to you? poor guy.
billy is not the original troll. and not even close to being the first person to say "rock is dead". the who said it back in 1972, and it's probably even older than that. |
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11-19-2016, 12:53 PM | #27 | |
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sp at the time didn't have chord based songs like 'jane says" or 'been caught stealing'... nothing even close. Riff laden songs like I am One or Siva were not the kind of music that charted in the same way. he biggest thing billy stole from janes addiction - wearing a dress on stage. no. it's a good song, but it's not even close to the obvious hooks on today, tonight or 1979. |
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11-19-2016, 01:13 PM | #28 |
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11-19-2016, 01:15 PM | #29 |
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11-19-2016, 01:16 PM | #30 |
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It may not be early 90s, but a Sellout thread would be funny.
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