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Old 11-14-2012, 09:06 PM   #1
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Scandal in Ireland as woman dies in Galway 'after being denied abortion'
Health authorities investigating septicaemia death of 31-year-old dentist Savita Halappanavar

Health authorities in Ireland are investigating the death of a pregnant woman whose husband says she was denied an abortion following severe complications.
Savita Halappanavar, who was 17 weeks pregnant, died of septicaemia a week after presenting with back pain on 21 October at University hospital in Galway, where she was found to be miscarrying. After the 31-year-old dentist was told that she was miscarrying, her husband reportedly said that she had asked for a medical termination a number of times over a three day period, during which she was in severe pain.
But he said these requests were denied because a foetal heartbeat was still present and they were told at one point: "This is a Catholic country."
Medical staff removed the dead foetus days later after the heartbeat stopped but Halappanavar died of septicaemia on 28 October. Ireland's health service executive, which runs the country's public health care system, has initiated an investigation into the incident, which is also being investigated by the hospital itself.
Reports of the death sparked an outcry on Wednesday night in Ireland, where abortion is illegal unless the life of the woman is in danger. The Fine Gael/Labour government has struggled to respond to a 2010 ruling by the European court of human rights, which found it had failed to implement laws to enable women to have an abortion when their life is at risk during pregnancy.

Rachel Donnelly, a spokeswoman for pro-choice campaigners in Galway said: "This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner. Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences. "As the European court ruled, as long as the 1861 Act remains in place, alongside a complete political unwillingness to touch the issue, pregnant women will continue to be unsafe in this country."

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:13 PM   #2
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why is this still even a thing

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:15 PM   #3
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:22 PM   #4
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why is this still even a thing
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:22 PM   #5
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this thread is going to be a trainwreck

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:31 PM   #6
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I don't even...

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:02 AM   #7
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We need a christian nation without all these whores getting their abortions. They will be in hell wishing they never got one, because down there you get reunited with the child you cast out and that baby is going to hate you forever while you burn in a lake of fire.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:17 AM   #8
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Reading the article I just wondered how anti-abortion activists would argue their way out of that one. I can't think of anything.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:03 AM   #9
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It's what God intended.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:31 AM   #10
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We need a christian nation without all these whores getting their abortions. They will be in hell wishing they never got one, because down there you get reunited with the child you cast out and that baby is going to hate you forever while you burn in a lake of fire.
not the dudes, though. we only pay for the procedure.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:49 AM   #11
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Hard to believe it's happening there. Are they legal in Italy?

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:20 AM   #12
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probably only legal in Italy if it involves a Vatican employee

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:38 AM   #13
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We need a christian nation without all these whores getting their abortions. They will be in hell wishing they never got one, because down there you get reunited with the child you cast out and that baby is going to hate you forever while you burn in a lake of fire.
I really don't think you get to be indignant about reproductive rights when you were totally willing to send them off a cliff a week and a half ago.

 
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>>taking that post seriously
>>Eulogy telling someone not to get indignant


Robble.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:33 AM   #15
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They need to make birth control pills for guys. It makes more sense to unload the gun, rather than shoot at a bulletproof vest.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:40 AM   #16
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>>taking that post seriously
>>Eulogy telling someone not to get indignant


Robble.
do you not think i understand her intention with that post....?

and i have a reason for telling her she can't get indignant. it's right there in my post.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:58 PM   #17
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Hard to believe it's happening there. Are they legal in Italy?
Yes, since the late seventies.
My point isn't if abortion should be legal in Ireland - that's another discussion imo.
It's about ending a pregnancy if the mother's life is in serious danger.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:36 PM   #18
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the true believers would say it's in gods hands. if you can't deal with that responsibility don't get pregnant

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:40 PM   #19
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They need to make birth control pills for guys. It makes more sense to unload the gun, rather than shoot at a bulletproof vest.
pretty sure this has been successfully tested on rats

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:15 PM   #20
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the true believers would say it's in gods hands. if you can't deal with that responsibility don't get pregnant
That doesn't make any sense. Responsibility? To die for a dead 17th week fetus?

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:20 PM   #21
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That doesn't make any sense. Responsibility? To die for a dead 17th week fetus?
i ain't defending it. I'm just sayin'

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:22 PM   #22
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Republican U.S. Rep. Scott DesJarlais testified during divorce proceedings that he and his former wife made a "mutual" decision for her to have two abortions, according to divorce transcripts released Thursday.

The 2001 court transcripts were released by the state Democratic Party, which had tried to air the documents before the Nov. 6 election. A DesJarlais spokesman didn't immediately return a message seeking comment.

DesJarlais easily won a second term despite revelations that he once urged a patient with whom he was having an affair to get an abortion. DesJarlais, whose campaign platform opposed abortion, acknowledged the conversation but said he was only trying to get her to admit she wasn't pregnant.

The transcripts show that woman testified under oath that she had been pregnant. She declined to elaborate on the outcome of the pregnancy.

On his campaign website, DesJarlais espoused an anti-abortion position, saying: "All life should be cherished and protected. We are pro-life."

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:04 PM   #23
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there are no words

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:14 PM   #24
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I really don't think you get to be indignant about reproductive rights when you were totally willing to send them off a cliff a week and a half ago.
So, are you excited for breaking dawn???

*has real discussion without misinformation*

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:16 PM   #25
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You'd think if abortion was legal in Italy the pope could talk to Ireland about it

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:19 PM   #26
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Maybe we better send some drones over there and straighten this shit out.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:40 PM   #27
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Maybe we better send some drones over there and straighten this shit out.
your thought process is an omnishambles

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:55 PM   #28
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It's a bit annoying. Election is over, by now everyone knows your opinion on drones Starla.
Why drag it into this thread, there is no connection between those topics.

And vixnix, I guess you were joking about getting the pope involved, since this is an Irish legal matter.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:43 PM   #29
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We need to send someone over there to tell these people how to live their lives and what to believe.

 
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:44 PM   #30
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lol you're so funny rbg.

 
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