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Old 08-10-2017, 11:39 PM   #211
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this argument died on a hill long ago
I mean you kind of started it.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:41 PM   #212
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So you're an 'LBGT ally' evaluator now. If you'll just point me to the correct page in the rule book we can examine the phrasing of that particular stipulation together

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:41 PM   #213
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So you're an 'LBGT ally' evaluator now. If you'll just point me to the correct page in the rule book we can examine the phrasing of that particular stipulation together
I don't want to get involved but it does generally require listening to LGBT people

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:43 PM   #214
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I'm not going to tell a black person they're wrong for how they react to a white comedian basing a bit on the word nigger

I imagine that makes sense to you. Why doesn't this?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:43 PM   #215
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I don't want to get involved but it does generally require listening to LGBT people
and to not deny the validity of their personal experience

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:44 PM   #216
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Just saying I'm an ally of black people doesn't make it ok. That's obvious, yes?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:45 PM   #217
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As for stand up? Most of it is bad.
Ok, so I wish we'd started here. We just have different sense of humour. Louis cK's canon doesn't need that joke and it's not like it's a part of his schtick, to consider offensive words. So it doesn't matter.

Looks like we'd disagree on whether most standup is funny, so it's not surprising we disagree about a joke as loaded as this one is. I'm sorry for arguing with you about it.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:45 PM   #218
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I don't think anyone is being vicious in this thread. Just short sighted.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:46 PM   #219
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Ok, so I wish we'd started here. We just have different sense of humour. Louis cK's canon doesn't need that joke and it's not like it's a part of his schtick, to consider offensive words. So it doesn't matter.

Looks like we'd disagree on whether most standup is funny, so it's not surprising we disagree about a joke as loaded as this one is. I'm sorry for arguing with you about it.
That wasn't intended to be your easy out. Stand up is bad because it is lazy and does shit like we're talking about. Not because I don't get it. My god.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:47 PM   #220
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Why am I here again

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:47 PM   #221
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it's not a question as to whether it's funny

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:48 PM   #222
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was anyone arguing about whether the bit was funny?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:48 PM   #223
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I'm not going to tell a black person they're wrong for how they react to a white comedian basing a bit on the word nigger

I imagine that makes sense to you. Why doesn't this?
I'm not saying you're wrong. You're actually telling me that I'm wrong and that he's wrong. You're saying there's no way that joke isn't anti gay, and there's no way to laugh at it without being anti gay. I disagree with that as someone who isn't anti gay but who laughed at the joke.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:49 PM   #224
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I disagree with that as someone who isn't anti gay but who laughed at the joke.
I think this is what you call having your cake and eating it too.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:49 PM   #225
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yeah this is exhausting. don't you have children to rear, you breeder

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:49 PM   #226
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I'm not saying you're wrong. You're actually telling me that I'm wrong and that he's wrong. You're saying there's no way that joke isn't anti gay, and there's no way to laugh at it without being anti gay. I disagree with that as someone who isn't anti gay but who laughed at the joke.
Yes I am telling you two straight people that you are wrong because you are unless you enjoy the suffering of marginalized people

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:50 PM   #227
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That wasn't intended to be your easy out. Stand up is bad because it is lazy and does shit like we're talking about. Not because I don't get it. My god.
'Stand up is bad because it is lazy'

I mean, we disagree about that. We disagree about the nature of stand up comedy. So it makes sense that we would disagree about a controversial stand up bit. That's all I meant with that.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:51 PM   #228
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You getting a chuckle doesn't lessen my suffering. Can you seriously not get that? I know you're not pat Buchanan but it's not a binary choice.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:52 PM   #229
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Man, I hate that expression. I understand that its meaning is hidden in the language of it, like you can't have your cake once you've eaten it, but it's still bullshit, like of course you can HAVE your cake and EAT it too, you can do it simultaneously if you take "have" to mean the same as "eat", like who says "have a piece of cake" to not mean "eat a piece of cake", who the fuck has a piece of cake but doesn't eat it??

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:52 PM   #230
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Bad stand up is bad because it is lazy. I left out a word.

Again. Birbiglia. Mullaney. Both good. Both manage to not be dicks. It's been done.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:55 PM   #231
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Also I know faggot and nigger carry different kinds of weights but the lol faggot people really don't want to even address the analogy

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:55 PM   #232
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do you like maria bamford? she's top 3 for me.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:56 PM   #233
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Yes I am telling you two straight people that you are wrong because you are unless you enjoy the suffering of marginalized people
I'm not actually straight. I had a girlfriend in high school and several crushes on girls. Queer people I know also laughed at the joke. So what do you say to them?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:56 PM   #234
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Be intellectually honest. Just admit you think racism is bad but two guys fucking is worth a laugh

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:56 PM   #235
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I'm not actually straight. I had a girlfriend in high school and several crushes on girls. Queer people I know also laughed at the joke. So what do you say to them?
Respect the queer people that don't.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:57 PM   #236
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I can't with this. Bye.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:58 PM   #237
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i don't even feel like bothering putting up a wall of text for this, but how about you guys stop being dense and realize that "gay" is currently not on the same level of taboo insult as "nigger". maybe you'd like it to, or you think it should be, but it's not. so that comparison is null.

but even regardless of that, why don't you guys accuse comedians of "being lazy" when they base their bits on being sexist (women be shoppin'! amirite?), or on racial/cultural differences, or on foreign accents or whatever. 90 percent of all comedians do this. are they all raging insensitive pricks with no respect for their fellow man?

you guys have the right to be offended by a joke and think it's tasteless, but entertainers and comedians still have the right to tell them as long as they're not crossing a big fat red line.

and "flipping through your phone like a gay french king", while not being particularly funny, is not that joke. and it makes as much fun of french people as it does gay people.

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:00 AM   #238
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great you guys already covered most points i made and my post is totally irrelevant

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:10 AM   #239
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i don't even feel like bothering putting up a wall of text for this, but how about you guys stop being dense and realize that "gay" is currently not on the same level of taboo insult as "nigger". maybe you'd like it to, or you think it should be, but it's not. so that comparison is null.
they are similar in that they are words used to otherize and systematically oppress a class of people.

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but even regardless of that, why don't you guys accuse comedians of "being lazy" when they base their bits on being sexist (women be shoppin'! amirite?), or on racial/cultural differences, or on foreign accents or whatever. 90 percent of all comedians do this. are they all raging insensitive pricks with no respect for their fellow man?
you're right. misogyny is horribly pervasive in comedy and should not be tolerated either. i would also defer to the judgement of women in their opinions on whether that kind of comedy is harmful to women.

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you guys have the right to be offended by a joke and think it's tasteless, but entertainers and comedians still have the right to tell them as long as they're not crossing a big fat red line.
LITERALLY NOBODY IS ARGUING THIS. FUCK.

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:42 AM   #240
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watch your temper. remember what the doctor said.

 
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