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Old 08-10-2017, 07:21 AM   #181
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wasn't that ages ago?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:23 AM   #182
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I feel like an encore performance was slated for some time during this year.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:26 AM   #183
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oh

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:29 AM   #184
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*hanging at the playground as a childless adult taking pictures of other people's kids* - lauren

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:30 AM   #185
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there's emma doing that thing emma does again no one cares about

maybe rbg will back you up later

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:41 AM   #186
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I feel like you are trying real hard to attack me for my opinion.

I'm out.
I thought your opinion was that the joke lacked nuance and had a fart joke punchline and was offensive. I tried to understand that - I asked you what kind of stand up or humour you do enjoy, if not that Louis CK bit. You dodged the question. Then you randomly claimed that a person can enjoy stand up and a comedian's work and still have a moral objection to work that they feel plays on people's prejudice; I said I agreed with that, and that i didn't think that joke played on that for most people who enjoy Louis CK's writing. Then you claim that it would be easy enough to write comedy that doesn't run the chance of reinforcing prejudice so comics should do that instead - so I questioned whether you understand much about what goes into writing stand up comedy material, because it's hard enough to write really funny material at all, let alone material that isn't going to hurt people in some way.

Now you say you feel like I'm attacking you, and that you're out.

So, I'm sorry you feel that way. I didn't think that was going on and I didn't mean to do that. I was genuinely trying to understand how you could look at that Louis Ck bit and see it as a lame fart-type joke.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:46 AM   #187
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there's emma doing that thing emma does again no one cares about

maybe rbg will back you up later
oh Lauren

I guess if you're here posting at least we know you're not busying yourself with photographs of minors

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:37 AM   #188
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there's emma doing that thing emma does again no one cares about
Reminds me of 39,817 posts by someone else

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:38 AM   #189
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South Park did the same joke as the Louis ck bit but it worked better because you know, they're children

It still wasn't great

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Old 08-10-2017, 08:47 AM   #190
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Farts and bowel movements deserved the stigma attached to them

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:29 PM   #191
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I was working with kids for a while and they would use the word gay as an insult pretty much constantly. Anytime I tried to discuss it with them they would give a less thought out version of the same justification Louis or South Park used. Take that to mean what you will

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:46 PM   #192
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It's toxic culture

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:49 PM   #193
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Some Seinfeld money goes to Steve bannon

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 02:31 PM   #194
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Being a fat woman is probably the worst - it's still considered fair game to laugh about fat girls/women in mainstream media. Most fat girls/women don't choose to be fat any more than someone chooses to be gay.

I'm pretty sure that the sort of people who object to jokes that punch down on gay people also object to jokes that punch down on fat people.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:35 PM   #195
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I was working with kids for a while and they would use the word gay as an insult pretty much constantly. Anytime I tried to discuss it with them they would give a less thought out version of the same justification Louis or South Park used. Take that to mean what you will
Right. So maybe Louis CK isn't guilty of making a joke out of "less thought out version". He didn't insult someone and then make a joke out of how it's ok that he used a term for a gay person. Maybe he did, but my impression of the joke is that it's observational humour, just reflecting on experiences and ideas. If he had insulted someone in real life and then said afterwards 'oh it's ok, I use faggot like this, so it doesn't actually refer to gay guys', that would be different.

He was reflecting on his own experience using the word, and how - as someone who is not anti-gay, and who doesn't believe being gay is a bad thing - he used it in a situation where somebody gave him the shits, and how ironic it is that you could be totally ok with someone being gay but still have a need for a word like faggot as an insult.

When I said his intentions are clearer if you watch the whole set, I do believe that to be true. He paints himself as an asshole, a pathetic, weak, selfish asshole - so there's no way he's saying that he doesn't think the word faggot is bad, so why don't we all just use it. He's just talking about his own experiences a a flawed individual.

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I'm pretty sure that the sort of people who object to jokes that punch down on gay people also object to jokes that punch down on fat people.
Right, I agree with that. But not all fat people jokes are punching down. Louis CK makes a lot of fat people jokes, but he mostly does it by talking about himself. A lot of fat people laugh pretty hard at fat people jokes - even the ones that do punch down.

I only mentioned that because I wanted Eulogy to know that I do understand how shitty it feels when people take a joke the wrong way - basically as an excuse to be wilfully ignorant and unkind - because as a class of person, I'm also marginalised and bear the brunt of a lot of jokes.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:50 PM   #196
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Is obesity sufficiently analogous to homosexuality, though?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:09 PM   #197
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Wow vixnix you really want to be able to laugh at lazy faggot jokes.

Just trust me on this one maybe ?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:10 PM   #198
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Louis ck is a fairly lightly but still overweight man.

He's not kind of gay.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:11 PM   #199
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And to insinuate that I took his joke the wrong way is insulting. It's. A. Bad. Joke.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:13 PM   #200
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"So it doesn't actually refer to gay guys" was the whole point of the bit. Why are you choosing this hill to die on?????

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:14 PM   #201
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Is obesity sufficiently analogous to homosexuality, though?
I'm not sure the answer to this question matters. Comedy shouldn't be lazy.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:24 PM   #202
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thanks vixnix for providing a belabored explanation of the premise of that joke.

i didn't mean gay as in "gay" i meant gay as in "lame". stop being such a sissy pussy faggot and learn to take a joke. i love gay people (no homo).

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:24 PM   #203
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"I'm a pathetic weak selfish asshole but at least I'm not a faggot."

Even he doesn't defend this. I'm so confused as to why you are.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:30 PM   #204
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I don't want to die on this hill. But have you watched the bit? Have you watched that entire show?

To make as good a living as he has, out of comedy, there is no room for lazy jokes. He toured with that joke and told it in like 20 places maybe? It's completely scripted, start to finish. The pitch of his voice, the inflection, the hand movements, it's all scripted and practiced so it's repeatable. It's a good bit and it gets a laugh from a pro-queer audience member like me because it's not anti gay.

Which stand ups do you like? Do you have any Favourite bits?

I don't want to insinuate that you took the joke the wrong way. There is no right or wrong way to take a joke. But I'm asking you to consider the possibility that he can tell the joke and I can laugh at it without either of us thinking being gay is funny - without that being part of the joke.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:32 PM   #205
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thanks vixnix for providing a belabored explanation of the premise of that joke.

i didn't mean gay as in "gay" i meant gay as in "lame". stop being such a sissy pussy faggot and learn to take a joke. i love gay people (no homo).
Have you watched the bit? It isn't anything like this. He actually explains why he used it as a kid, why he doesn't now, and why he misses using it.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:33 PM   #206
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"I'm a pathetic weak selfish asshole but at least I'm not a faggot."

Even he doesn't defend this. I'm so confused as to why you are.
Well...that isn't how I hear the joke and I don't understand why you would ascribe that sentiment to it.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:36 PM   #207
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this argument died on a hill long ago

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:36 PM   #208
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a pro-queer audience member like me
an LGBT ally wouldn't be arguing this point with an actual gay person.

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:38 PM   #209
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"let me tell you why you're wrong to be offended by a joke that has literally played a role in your literal oppression"

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:38 PM   #210
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I've watched the bit dozens of times and have heard people defend it dozens more.

Again, the man himself has disavowed it! It is anti gay and it's irresponsible. You don't hear the joke that way because you're not a faggot. Again, consider taking my word for this one. Please. We have all laughed at things we shouldn't have. Doesn't mean it deserves a defense.

As for stand up? Most of it is bad. I like mike birbiglia.

 
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