Jimmy Chamberlin Rejoins SP for Tour

[werideatdusk]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Seeing as Corgan music these days either sounds like a pale retread of that sort of Siamese Dream-esque formula or just pop/adult contemporary shit in general, in an ideal world, it'd be cool if Jimmy rejoined proper, but instead of trying to assimilate into that arena rock sound again, actually drove the direction of the band into a sort of jazz-rock fusion combining Chamberlin's sensibilities with elements that sort of psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of the Pumpkins. I feel like the only thing that would really make me interested in Corgan's output again is if he tried something innovative and artistic, like when he changed gears for Adore, instead of just spinning his wheels trying to do boring pop rock in a sad attempt to "get back into the mainstream" or whatever.

I think this is exactly what was happening in those 2008 shows... it was becoming this psychedelic-jazz-metal thing and nobody got it. I fuckin loved it though. Seriously, people still shit on the 20 minute Set the Controls cover, and most won't even listen to it or attempt to see it in any serious way. I thought it was fucking brilliant.

I'm gonna have to go this tour now, I admit it. I'm sad about it being a 75 minute set list that'll be more greatest hitsy, but seeing JC behind the kit.... this is can't miss. It'll have the same issues the 07-08 tours had - namely that it's not really the Smashing Pumpkins - but will be a hell of a good time.

[Ram27]

How does it work with Manson though?

Can I just go late and skip his part?

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

name one phenomenal song he's written since 2000

Is Machina II 2000 or '01? It's pretty brilliant. All of Mary Star of the Sea. "Ma Belle" and "Stellar." I like the 1-2-3 at the end of Oceania in "The Chimera," "Inkless," and "Glissandra." "Freak" is a really good song.

[KissesandNoise]

Originally Posted by werideatdusk

I think this is exactly what was happening in those 2008 shows... it was becoming this psychedelic-jazz-metal thing and nobody got it. I fuckin loved it though. Seriously, people still shit on the 20 minute Set the Controls cover, and most won't even listen to it or attempt to see it in any serious way. I thought it was fucking brilliant.

I'm gonna have to go this tour now, I admit it. I'm sad about it being a 75 minute set list that'll be more greatest hitsy, but seeing JC behind the kit.... this is can't miss. It'll have the same issues the 07-08 tours had - namely that it's not really the Smashing Pumpkins - but will be a hell of a good time.

Holy shit man! I was going to say the same exact thing. They were really peaking as a unit then. They were experimenting and improvising, adding horns and messing with arrangements, progging out, and mixing crazy setlists with extended psychedelic jams and nobody got it. It was exactly what a fan of Billy's vision and a fan of the synergy between Billy and Jimmy would want and they got booed. That's when Billy became combative with the audience and got more press about being a dick.The irony is that when the new SP really began to gel and redefine themselves they imploded. I honestly thought they were going to become successful in the jam scene for a second after seeing them 6 or 7 times between 2007 and 2008

[KissesandNoise]

Think of Zeitgeist if Jimmy wasn't on it. Give "Ma Belle" and "Stellar" a listen and picture how any other drummer would kill those songs instead of propelling them the way JC does.

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by KissesandNoise

Is Machina II 2000 or '01? It's pretty brilliant. All of Mary Star of the Sea. "Ma Belle" and "Stellar." I like the 1-2-3 at the end of Oceania in "The Chimera," "Inkless," and "Glissandra." "Freak" is a really good song.

glass house shows

[houseofglass11]

You guys are whining about Manson? Seriously? His newest album is one of the best of his career, one of the best rock albums released this year, and was a far better album than MTAE. His set will be awesome.

[werideatdusk]

Originally Posted by Disco King

But yeah, I don't think Corgan wants to try anything artsy or progressive again, because the last two ambitious albums he tried (Adore and Machina) weren't that well received, and now he's forever trying to recapture that early-'90s fame by trying to be as accessible as possible, and making middling rock music as a consequence. Even things that were ambitious in format (Teargarden's intended four-year one-song-at-a-time project) were pallid in content, with pretty shitty bubblegum songs and arena ballads. If I want MOR rock, I can just listen to Counting Crows or Bryan Adams or Train or something.

It'll be interesting to hear the new album since there's no drummer and billy thinks its a "breakthru". itll probably just be really shitty EDM Imagine Dragons shit

[werideatdusk]

Originally Posted by KissesandNoise

.The irony is that when the new SP really began to gel and redefine themselves they imploded. I honestly thought they were going to become successful in the jam scene for a second after seeing them 6 or 7 times between 2007 and 2008

Completely agree. I used to imagine the kind of album they could have made if they'd gone into the studio in late 08/early 09 as a 9-piece, with 10 minute songs and a finished Gossamer to top it off...

i actually think the first Teargarden EP was kind of in that same headspace, but done as a solo act. It's after that failed to connect that the material got more and more retrograde. Oceania was a step backwards in terms of "progressive music" but was at least heartfelt and sounded like a band. MTAE is so crass, so thin. Nothing SP2 has recorded can hold a candle to the old stuff

[amoergosum]

Marilyn Manson just did an AMA session on REDDIT:

I'm quite excited if the rumors that Jimmy Chamberlain is back in the band are true. Hearing more of the original songs I first listened to for the Smashing Pumpkins, before I even had a band. Billy asked me if I knew any drummers, I guess he needed a replacement drummer, and on my flight home from France, i had a strange dream that I told him Jimmy Chamberlain, and then I woke up and saw that it was true.

So I don't know if that means that dreams come true, or if the flight was so long that something strange happened, and synchronicity brought it together.

It continues to be one of those years for me and a lot of people that are in my life that special synchronicity keeps happening, and I feel like it's going to continue to build.

Link:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...yn_manson_ama/

[Ol' Couch Ass]

Originally Posted by reprise85

Billy sounds like a bf who just got back together with his ex on a temporary basis and is "taking it slow" because that's the condition of them sleeping together again but everyone knows he's already planning the wedding

This is perfect.

[Forgotten Child]

For all those wondering what kind of record Jimmy and Billy would've made together if Jimmy wasn't gone in 2009: the last song they recorded together was G.L.O.W.

[Eulogy]

The set the controls cover was a giant garbage pile and anyone who says otherwise is lying to him or herself

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

You guys are whining about Manson? Seriously? His newest album is one of the best of his career, one of the best rock albums released this year, and was a far better album than MTAE. His set will be awesome.

Yes. So many people are writing them off and I'm not sure why.

Listen to the pale emperor guys. Or at least third day of a seven day binge, killing strangers, and Cupid carries a gun

I love deep six but I can see how others may not. Whole album is pretty good. I'd probably say it's better than MTAE too.

[amoergosum]

[Eulogy]

What's your point

[dreams of glass]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

For all those wondering what kind of record Jimmy and Billy would've made together if Jimmy wasn't gone in 2009: the last song they recorded together was G.L.O.W.

FOL came out after that

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

Whole album is pretty good. I'd probably say it's better than MTAE too.

If you're not really sure if the album is better than MTAE so it's not that good at all.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

FOL came out after that

But fol was recorded before that. It's a z b-side. Not a good song anyway.

[dreams of glass]

it's a terrific song

[Forgotten Child]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...0812170528.gif

[amoergosum]

I dig this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hez7yAj51vk#t=42

[Forgotten Child]

Terrific

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

If you're not really sure if the album is better than MTAE so it's not that good at all.

I enjoy both of them

[Cool As Ice Cream]

it would be cool if jc left again after a show or two. IN A WHITE VAN.

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

For all those wondering what kind of record Jimmy and Billy would've made together if Jimmy wasn't gone in 2009: the last song they recorded together was G.L.O.W.

GLOW was a good song, and I loved the burned out hippy LSD acid trip binge Corgan was on.

Superchrist also ruled.

They were genuinely doing something new, and I liked that. shrug

[amoergosum]

I'm putting together the proposed set today for the SP/MANSON tour. So if you have song suggestions now's the time. But... (Pt 1 of 2)

— William Corgan (@Billy) 26. Juni 2015

Be mindful that we a/ like to cover music from every SP era b/ JC is back on drums and c/ we've only got 80 min + encores. USE #PumpkinsTour

— William Corgan (@Billy) 26. Juni 2015

...and he retweeted this:

@Billy Wait....what? Did you say JC is back on drums?! I stumble out of my cave with new hope for the future....

— Marc M (@marcobrau) 26. Juni 2015

@Billy Everlasting Gaze, Lucky 13, Cash Car Star, United States!!! ANY SONG WITH CRAZY ASS JIMMY DRUMMING!!

— Lenin (@UlyanovLenin) 26. Juni 2015

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by ninsp

GLOW was a good song, and I loved the burned out hippy LSD acid trip binge Corgan was on.

Superchrist also ruled.

They were genuinely doing something new, and I liked that. shrug

Tell me how you do something new by using a riff from 1995 again?

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

FOL came out after that

It's not a bad straightforward rock song, but it's missing the boost into the heavens that James tends to contribute

[Forgotten Child]

Whatever it is missing there, are FOL and GLOW good enough songs for all the excitement we got for Jimmy's comeback?

It happened before, and we got machina, Mary star of the sea, d.i.a. and Zeitgeist.

I'm not saying I'm not happy Jimmy's back. I'm just saying we won't get great albums if Billy, and only Billy, doesn't write brilliant music anymore.