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Old 06-07-2018, 01:12 PM   #121
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I don't know why I want to hear this so bad because the first impressions are overwhelmingly negative.

But please, someone PM me a link.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:12 PM   #122
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Saw this comment on Reddit regarding Billy and James and it hits the nail on head

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Just imagine having two multi-millionaires who made all their money by doing nothing but playing in a GUITAR-based bands for decades. These two guys are writing a really important single to promote their (so-called) reunion of one of the most original bands of the 90s.

And all these two guys can come up with are these beginner-type riffs. It's creative bankruptcy.

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Old 06-07-2018, 01:14 PM   #123
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I received two different download links for this song. The one that is of a higher bitrate (around 10mb in size) sounded remarkably better than the lower resolution version. Before making up your mind about the song I suggest tracking that version down.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:17 PM   #124
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The youtube to mp3 trick is not working for me. Keeps saying "this video cannot be converted". Maybe because I'm on mobile? My work computer blocks Youtube.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:17 PM   #125
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PM me the link please.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:21 PM   #126
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LOL first thought.. THIS IS A SINGLE??????

This sounds like an outtake.

edit: though not the worst thing from the last 10 years.. the chorus is pretty good.. snare sounds weird

but again the same problem as Monuments and Zeitgeist.. mostly sounding very generic "modern rock"

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:21 PM   #127
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Most upvoted comment in the Reddit thread:

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-Not to knock Billy or be damning, but more so from pure curiosity- it's really bizarre to think about how much Billy has lost touch with whatever "spirit" he had that allowed to produce so much of his early stuff. He's the same person, with essentially the same talents as before, yet it seems he can't even chance upon a single lick that has the emotive power or musicality of the old days (and I don't think that's from a lack of trying). It really makes you wonder what happened to him, or in a larger sense what happens to musicians that makes them lose "it". I'd really like to read some good content on this subject from a psychological/spiritual standpoint. (This is all IMO obviously... though I feel like I'm being pretty objective, you never know what other people might experience with the music.)

oh, and yeah not really feeling the song though I suppose it isn't offensively bad or anything... more "in one ear, out the other" stuff for me lol

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:27 PM   #128
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Saw this comment on Reddit regarding Billy and James and it hits the nail on head

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Just imagine having two multi-millionaires who made all their money by doing nothing but playing in a GUITAR-based bands for decades. These two guys are writing a really important single to promote their (so-called) reunion of one of the most original bands of the 90s.

And all these two guys can come up with are these beginner-type riffs. It's creative bankruptcy.
how so? we haven't heard a single that was written

a) by Corgan and Iha
b) for this purpose

Solara is an outtake that is several years old. shite? sure. it's simply super lazy to not put the effort in, on the other hand, what for. they are banking on the nostalgia train to sell tickets for this tour anyway

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:29 PM   #129
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:30 PM   #130
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it makes me think of Widow Wake My Mind.. sort of repetitive.. peaudo-spiritual babbling b.s.. it's WWMM but with good drumming

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:31 PM   #131
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Could someone PM me the link? I have been waiting to be disappointed lol, now just need to see how bad it is

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:36 PM   #132
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Pm me too please

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:37 PM   #133
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:37 PM   #134
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Shameless plea for a DL link. Please PM me.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:38 PM   #135
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Thanks to those who PM'd me. Finally heard it. It's not as bad as I thought, but it still is very lacking. It's repetitive and there's no real hook. And when Billy says "trying" he does that weird thing with his voice where he cuts out the first syllable and it's really off-putting.

Jimmy's drums are top notch and Billy's guitar tracks are an improvement over what he's done since the MCIS-era.

Second listen: Oh god that "trying" thing is so awful....

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:39 PM   #136
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how so? we haven't heard a single that was written

a) by Corgan and Iha
b) for this purpose

Solara is an outtake that is several years old. shite? sure. it's simply super lazy to not put the effort in, on the other hand, what for. they are banking on the nostalgia train to sell tickets for this tour anyway
Are you daft?

a) I may be wrong, but I thought this was pushed as a reunion effort? I, like everyone else, can't even tell if James Iha is on this track. Regardless, remove Iha from the argument and the point still stands.
b) Are you saying that this single is not to promote the (so-called) reunion of one of the most original bands of the 90s?

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:42 PM   #137
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Solara is a COUGAGRED song.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:43 PM   #138
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"are you daft" - yes, we see eye to eye then



what I am saying regarding that reddit comment is, how is it "hitting the nail on the head" - that person is describing it as if Iha and Corgan had wititen this song - which is not true - for this reunion - which is also not true.

"remove half the argument and it's still spot on" - yea okay.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:45 PM   #139
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Thanks to those who PM'd me. Finally heard it. It's not as bad as I thought, but it still is very lacking. It's repetitive and there's no real hook. And when Billy says "trying" he does that weird thing with his voice where he cuts out the first syllable and it's really off-putting.

Jimmy's drums are top notch and Billy's guitar tracks are an improvement over what he's done since the MCIS-era.

Second listen: Oh god that "trying" thing is so awful....
Im interested to hear it with that. Could you share the song? Havent gotten a PM

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:45 PM   #140
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Thanks to those who PM'd me. Finally heard it. It's not as bad as I thought, but it still is very lacking. It's repetitive and there's no real hook. And when Billy says "trying" he does that weird thing with his voice where he cuts out the first syllable and it's really off-putting.

Jimmy's drums are top notch and Billy's guitar tracks are an improvement over what he's done since the MCIS-era.

Second listen: Oh god that "trying" thing is so awful....

I'm not hearing that trying

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:47 PM   #141
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Let's talk about the mastering...it's so brickwalled that you just want to turn the volume down.

Why?...here's the answer:


 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:48 PM   #142
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Pm please - disappointed to see the reactions on here but would still like to hear...

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:52 PM   #143
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Honestly, I shockingly don't hate it. I think it's up there with the better of anything Billy has done post original line up. Then again, that's not saying much. But from hearing what everyone was saying, I expected worse. I'll take this over Oceania or Monuments. I don't mind the production that much. It's not overly terrible, but sounds pretty decent on my ATH-M50X headphones. Would like to hear a true lossless version. Of course, it doesn't top anything from the original line up, but I'll take it over anything from Tergarden, Oceania, Ogilalabad, or Monuments and its better some of the tracks off Zeitgeist.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:54 PM   #144
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it's down and I didn't get to hear it

help

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:56 PM   #145
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Any chance you can send this way?

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:00 PM   #146
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Can someone send me the link by PM too.

Tried to download the track by the now shown YouTube link. But instead a message appears that the track isn't available anymore...

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:00 PM   #147
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Wow.

It sounds like MTAE with Zeitgeist production. There's the semblance of some good hooks in there, but they're lost in a sea of everything bad about post-Zwan Corgan.

And what is with the tinny drums in the chorus? Jimmy is basically playing drums for a much better song.

Do you think Billy f'ed his ears up at some point? It's like he's hearing something differently to everybody else.

He's totally forgotten how to sing and write Pumpkins songs.

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:00 PM   #148
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:09 PM   #149
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That feeling when you want to discuss a song but you cant because no one sends you a PM...

 
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:10 PM   #150
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People are giving Jimmy's drumming way too much credit here. It's super distracting and wanky. I am a huge JC fan don't get me wrong, but the he-man routine does not do this song any favors as it is a terrible song.

 
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