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Old 08-07-2018, 05:27 AM   #31
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:06 AM   #32
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thanks for the link. it's a great show!

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The real question about Zwan is how did two indie/noise/post-rock dudes get stuck in a band playing christian rock?
they showed up, and they rocked, it was great
and everything was low-key cool
and then they went into the studio - billy pulled a bait and switch
promised them "next album will be our cool shit, for now we need to do these pop songs to make it huge - look I'll even announce that we're gonna do djali zwan, and black zwan and all these other incarnations of zwan"
they aquiesed
and once they figured out it was actually just another billy show billy and they weren't actually going to return to the low-key cool - mr baby-control-freak-bald-leader pointed at their contracts and said "you eat your lobster and toe the line"
so they ate their lobster and did their best to piss off billy until he made it implode, releasing them from their free lobster contract.

These guys weren't in for a pound... they didn't give a shit. the promise of huge stages and record sales (of which they weren't songwriters) had zero appeal.

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:08 AM   #33
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Thanks amoergosum!

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These guys weren't in for a pound... they didn't give a shit. the promise of huge stages and record sales (of which they weren't songwriters) had zero appeal.
Word up. This is what really bugs me about Billy saying he regrets being in Zwan on IG; they were a more talented and versatile live band than the Pumpkins ever were, yet he still hates them because they weren't in it for fame.

If SP were The Beatles, then Zwan could have been Wings.

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:11 AM   #34
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If SP were The Beatles, then Zwan could have been Wings.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:19 AM   #35
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I see what you're doing there. You're doing the same you did for the past 2 years. You're egging me.

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:25 AM   #36
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:14 AM   #37
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that is right, i am calling you out!

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:15 AM   #38
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:17 AM   #39
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:19 AM   #40
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Let me know if you want the original DVD VOB files...uploading right now.

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:24 AM   #41
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I'm watching the Jesus I medley right now. So goooood. The audio is flawless and the video is fantastic quality for a VHS source.

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:29 AM   #42
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:48 AM   #43
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Can i get the link plz?

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:55 AM   #44
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:14 PM   #45
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:19 PM   #46
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:20 PM   #47
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:24 PM   #48
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Word up. This is what really bugs me about Billy saying he regrets being in Zwan on IG; they were a more talented and versatile live band than the Pumpkins ever were, yet he still hates them because they weren't in it for fame.

If SP were The Beatles, then Zwan could have been Wings.
Yeah, what a fucking shame. That was the best evolution/transition of the SP sound that could have happened. It was stripped down to a certain extent, yet still bombastic and grandiose. That "indie thing" was on the rise and blowing up with My Morning Jacket, The Killers, Modest Mouse getting huge, The Strokes, Bloc Party, Arcade Fire etc, etc. Zwan was sort of SP reformed to fit in that era with 3 other musicians with tons of street cred and it got pissed away. I always thought that SP should have ended after the final Metro Show and ZWAN should have been a NIN or QOTSA that could be a revolving door if it needed to be. Imagine if all of Billy's experimentation and line-up changes could have been under ZWAN (or if ZWAN could have stayed together) and the SP name was not revived until this tour. Way more impact.

 
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:29 PM   #49
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:44 PM   #50
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I thought this was so cool how Matt just chills during the solo. He actually seems into the music -the whole band does aside from Billy, really. I think this was their 4th last show, but I don't think the band knew they were going to break up yet.

**ALSO: Is Matt using a 5150 amp?

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That "indie thing" was on the rise and blowing up with My Morning Jacket, The Killers, Modest Mouse getting huge, The Strokes, Bloc Party, Arcade Fire etc, etc. Zwan was sort of SP reformed to fit in that era with 3 other musicians with tons of street cred and it got pissed away.
Zwan was definitely poised to ride that wave. No one cared about hearing Billy's old hits, or that he used to be a superstar -and Matt and Pajo resisting being sellouts was the *right* attitude to have.

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Old 08-07-2018, 10:12 PM   #51
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Old 08-08-2018, 09:37 AM   #52
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Old 08-08-2018, 11:28 AM   #53
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Old 08-08-2018, 12:15 PM   #54
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Yeah, what a fucking shame. That was the best evolution/transition of the SP sound that could have happened. It was stripped down to a certain extent, yet still bombastic and grandiose. That "indie thing" was on the rise and blowing up with My Morning Jacket, The Killers, Modest Mouse getting huge, The Strokes, Bloc Party, Arcade Fire etc, etc. Zwan was sort of SP reformed to fit in that era with 3 other musicians with tons of street cred and it got pissed away. I always thought that SP should have ended after the final Metro Show and ZWAN should have been a NIN or QOTSA that could be a revolving door if it needed to be. Imagine if all of Billy's experimentation and line-up changes could have been under ZWAN (or if ZWAN could have stayed together) and the SP name was not revived until this tour. Way more impact.
Billy couldn't get out of his own way. It could've been this and was poised to be when it was a four piece, but then he decided he'd move the asian to guitar and hire a girl bassist to try to recapture the Pumpkins aesthetic. Then he picked some of the worst songs of the band's repertoire and put them on an album that sounded like shit instead of songs the fans actually wanted to hear.

 
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Old 08-08-2018, 01:13 PM   #56
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Old 08-08-2018, 10:40 PM   #57
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Here's some more Zwan goodness on the MSotS Bonus DVD:


 
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