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Old 03-06-2015, 01:36 PM   #31
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its better than anything on the first machina except for maybe SIYL
hmm. i dunno. what about aoi? this time? and the second part of glass and the ghost children is insanely good.

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:55 PM   #32
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you mean the first part?

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:58 PM   #33
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first part is cool but come on, the outro "as she counted the spiders..." and then the little solo with that sick jimmy beat... I swoon again.

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 01:59 PM   #34
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glass and the ghost children is the ultimate example of BC ruining a song in the studio

AOI is pretty tight though, another one I don't like the production on however (would've been better in an acoustic arrangement imo), never did enjoy this time

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:01 PM   #35
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first part is cool but come on, the outro "as she counted the spiders..." and then the little solo with that sick jimmy beat... I swoon again.
the intro guitar part with the fucking squeals

sounds like someone screaming in pain

and then when the main riff kicks in

fucking gold

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:01 PM   #36
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glass and the ghost children is the ultimate example of BC ruining a song in the studio
what's so terrible about it besides the middle part?

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 02:23 PM   #37
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it's not terrible, it's just mediocre compared to the live versions. feels forced, not enough ideas for the runtime. I do dig the piano during the first section a whole lot

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:20 PM   #38
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Huh, in the run-up to the Machina release I remember absolutely dreading GATGC on the album because I thought the live performances were so boring, and then I was blown away by how much I liked the studio version. Seemed so much more dynamic and energetic... what's your favorite pre-release live version (preferably something I can find on archive.org or youtube or somethin')? I need to take another listen.

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:32 PM   #39
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I don't really care for the Arising versions of it, it was executed better after the album came out imo

couple of versions I like:

2000-02-19 (acoustic, just billy and james. blissed and gone tease during the outro) https://archive.org/details/tsp2000-...upgrade.flac16
2000-05-23 (electric, same as album version) https://archive.org/details/tsp2000-05-23.flac16
2000-11-29 (half acoustic version, achieves the grandiosity that I think BC was going for with this song) https://archive.org/details/tsp2000-11-29.shn

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:42 PM   #40
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I don't really care for the Arising versions of it, it was executed better after the album came out imo
absolutely.

I love this one as well, GATGC in Munich 2000-09-24

https://archive.org/details/tsp2000-09-24.sbd.flac16
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Old 03-06-2015, 03:43 PM   #41
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underrated show. I wish the video of it would surface

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 04:16 PM   #42
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arising gatc is soo good. james' guitarwork explodes at the end.

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 04:44 PM   #43
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Thanks errbody; I'll check those four out.

On another note, I've never been able to reconcile how much I want to hate the line "and she counted the spiders as they crawled up inside her" with how much I enjoy it. I look at that lyric, typed out, and I kind of cringe. I hear it in the song and I'm like "fuck yeah, that's awesome."

 
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Old 03-06-2015, 08:08 PM   #44
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Same

I love the Porceilna riff they had in there during Arising too

 
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Old 03-07-2015, 07:23 AM   #45
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arising gatc is soo good. james' guitarwork explodes at the end.
its been a minute since i listened to an arising show, gonna throw detroit on today

 
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Old 08-04-2018, 05:56 PM   #46
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Hey look it's something that deserves to be appreciated

 
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Hey look it's something that deserves to be appreciated
BASED

For real though, Machina II is some amazing god-tier stuff IMO and Slow Dawn is one of the best tracks the Pumpkins have ever made. Songs like Vanity, Saturnine, Dross, In My Body are just so atmospheric and shoegaze-y. I hope they release a remaster and play some tracks live, especially Slow Dawn.

 
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sounds good dude

 
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:09 PM   #50
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Most of the Machina II stuff sounds like it was recorded with the band at one end of a hallway and the mics at the other. I'm sure that is what Billy was going for but to me it sounds B-side-ish and unfinished.

Slow Dawn and Dross are great songs -- I'd just like to hear them remastered.

 
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