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Old 11-09-2011, 10:14 AM   #31
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But Smashing Pumpkins were trendy pop, because the trend was mainstream alt-rock.

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:45 AM   #32
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MTV was bigger than radio in 1996.

Tonight Tonight was #2 on MTV's top 100 countdown of 1996.

However, leading up to Tonight Tonight, SP had Today and Disarm

Followed by Bullet with Butterfly wings.

Zero had little impact as a video.

After Tonight Tonight, 1979 was a very strong video.

33 was also popular.

TEITBITE was welcomed.

Ava Adore came around and SP's mainstream spark was done.

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:49 AM   #33
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mtv probably didn't know the meaning of Smashing in SP.

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:54 AM   #34
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mainstreamest moment was regis and kelly appearances

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:55 AM   #35
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kathie lee jesus christ showin me age

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:21 AM   #36
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:11 PM   #37
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I'm probably wrong but I recall here in Canada that the Zero video was released before the TT video... Wasn't it the same elsewhere?

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:59 PM   #38
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Jesus Christ weren't any of you watching MTV in 1994?!

 
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:28 PM   #39
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Jesus Christ weren't any of you watching MTV in 1994?!
some people think this thread is about personal opinion
and i guess most of the people didn't even know about SP in 94


i guess the reason is they were a great band at the right place at the right time.

 
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:05 AM   #40
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Jesus Christ weren't any of you watching MTV in 1994?!
They dont have MTV up here in Canada chief.

 
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:06 AM   #41
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but that shit was all over Much Music & music plus in quebec
same difference.

 
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:57 AM   #42
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Interesting thread. Sometimes I wonder myself how this band became so colossally huge at a point in time. I think I agree with "the right place, at the right time" as well as talent and originality. If they were anything but a grunge band in the 90s they probably wouldn't have went nearly as far as they did in the past. They jumped on the grunge trend which was massively popular at the time, gave the music their own unique twist and managed to attract a big enough following which just happened to grow more and more.

It's sad to say, but if they ever want to become famous again like they were before, they would have to jump on the trend bandwagon of whatever is popular on MTV these days.

 
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:10 AM   #43
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soniclovenoize is not far off.

a day or 2 before Kurt Cobain was found dead, Nirvana announced they would not be headlining Lolla 94. Pumpkins got bumped to the headlining spot and became synonymous with "alternative music", the 94 VMA's and everything else followed thereafter...


 
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:16 AM   #44
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I'm probably wrong but I recall here in Canada that the Zero video was released before the TT video... Wasn't it the same elsewhere?
Not wrong. It was BWBW, 1979, Zero, Tonight, then 33.

 
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Old 11-10-2011, 02:48 AM   #45
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soniclovenoize is not far off.

a day or 2 before Kurt Cobain was found dead, Nirvana announced they would not be headlining Lolla 94. Pumpkins got bumped to the headlining spot and became synonymous with "alternative music", the 94 VMA's and everything else followed thereafter...

Yes, I think this is part of what made the ground so fertile for the SP explosion of 1995.

 
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Old 11-10-2011, 02:58 AM   #46
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mainstreamest moment was regis and kelly appearances
Or the lamestreamest? That shit was just awkward to watch.
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But Smashing Pumpkins were trendy pop, because the trend was mainstream alt-rock.
Trendy rock, yes. But "pop" music is still a distinct entity which appeals to a distinct demographic. (The most obvious example of this is the 1970's...disco was mainstream pop with mass appeal - but this era simultaneously produced a lot of "classic rock" as well...and the fans were in two distinct camps, though you had of course rock artists like Rolling Stones doing their own renditions of trendy disco pop-rock nevertheless.) There were bands like Hootie and the Blowfish, Dave Matthews Band, Blues Traveler, etc. which were in that rock-pop inner territory of mass appeal, and arguably the Pumpkins sort of ventured there with crossover tunes like 1979 and Tonight Tonight. But primarily that wasn't their market. It would make a great Venn diagram.

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Old 11-10-2011, 03:26 AM   #47
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guyz, you dont headline a festival unless you're already a commercial success.

 
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:40 AM   #48
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excellent music, unique style, right timing, right promotion

 
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Old 11-12-2011, 03:03 PM   #49
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They sounded different, had a great drummer and the lyrics were mysterious.

 
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