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Old 01-30-2012, 04:30 AM   #121
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:32 AM   #122
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COCKSUCKERRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:38 AM   #123
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I feel it's pretty reasonable to not be reminded at every turn that a woman's body is for display. Many people are uncomfortable with this and it's really rude to try to shut them up by calling them 'repressed' or 'mental' or implying that they called you "evil" for liking porn even though nothing like that has ever been uttered. Porn and sexuality dominate, is it too much to allow a tiny bit of space for women and other people who are uncomfortable with it to be entitled to their opinion without mockery?
Many people aren't uncomfortable at all. Who takes preference? The bruised broken ones? Boo hoo.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:43 AM   #124
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even if it was simply a porn thread (which it wasn't, nothing but posed photography has been posted) you guys can still fuck off. No rules against porn threads here. Go away if it bothers you
"if you don't love this country unquestionably, leave"

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:44 AM   #125
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calling someone an annoying dick is prejudiced against men
by that definition calling someone an asshole is prejudiced against mammals

seriously redbull

seriously

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:46 AM   #126
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i think it was the word "cocksucker" if you missed a beat
I know exactly what you were referring to. Reread my post

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:47 AM   #127
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i think my problem is that i participate in a thread about celebrities you have a crush on and i post women that i find to be beautiful, talented and intelligent and i still get typecast as viewing women as fuckmeat for my pleasure anyway so i just stopped caring and just decided that it was something to lampoon because it's so far overboard to act like i'm some kind of misogynistic cro magnon that hates women and wants them to be fuckslaves for my dick just because i don't see eye to eye with your philosophy
There is nothing wrong with being attracted to someone physically. It's part of our chemistry. It's guilt ridden folk like julio who fight it and trivialise it, but that's a reflection of their own issues.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:47 AM   #128
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well we really shouldn't call each other names

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:47 AM   #129
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I know exactly what you were referring to. Reread my post
it's still dumb

if you're progressive stop using cocksucker to insult people

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:48 AM   #130
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My god, is someone attracted to some boobs up in here, fuck that shit.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:48 AM   #131
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ass hat is a solid insult, because it's essentially nonsense

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:48 AM   #132
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you guys are all sorts of retarded today

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:49 AM   #133
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There is nothing wrong with being attracted to someone physically. It's part of our chemistry. It's guilt ridden folk like julio who fight it and trivialise it, but that's a reflection of their own issues.
oh i thought that nobody ever attacked a guy for being sexually repressed or prudish??????

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:50 AM   #134
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There is nothing wrong with being attracted to someone physically. It's part of our chemistry. It's guilt ridden folk like julio who fight it and trivialise it, but that's a reflection of their own issues.
this is a total straw man barden, surely that's obvious to you

nobody has an issue with attraction. there's a big difference between an impulse and how one acts upon it

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:51 AM   #135
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i don't think anyone has actually explained any of that though, they just say that like it's elementary but you know, me posting pics of emma stone and corin tucker is equal to creepy nipple worship thread

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:55 AM   #136
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You're making it sound like I want porn to be banned. Building straw men and calling your opponent fascist is a way to shut them up, but it doesn't win you an argument. Porn sucks, dude. It's pretty shitty that women can be utilized as tools as such. If you think I'm fascist for thinking this, I don't know what to say. The world is overwhelmingly in favor of your view about this, not mine.
There are dudes in porn too bro.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 04:55 AM   #137
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Julio already knew that though.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:01 AM   #138
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I think that julio is the sexist by not respecting the individuals involved in porn, by not respecting their ability to make choices for themselves while being empowered individuals, but rather by writing off the whole industry as a consequence of men's selfish desire. He takes credit away from the ladies, calls them tools to be utilized and leaves no room for their own self responsibility and awareness. It's a very arrogant and sexist approach.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:07 AM   #139
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I'm going to stop reading this thread now. Made it to page 2 high five bros.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:09 AM   #140
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this is a total straw man barden, surely that's obvious to you

nobody has an issue with attraction. there's a big difference between an impulse and how one acts upon it
Sometimes my impulse is to touch a boob. Sometimes it is to look at one. Sometimes I wanna make a thread discussing the diversity of a boob. I'm really just a victim of circumstance really.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:14 AM   #141
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I still don't get why homeboy wanted to talk about nipples to begin with. What, is he like 16 or sommat?

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:57 AM   #142
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leave charmbag alone!

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 05:59 AM   #143
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i don't think anyone has actually explained any of that though, they just say that like it's elementary but you know, me posting pics of emma stone and corin tucker is equal to creepy nipple worship thread
has anyone said it's equal? or creepy, for that matter?

surely the point is that it's all on some spectrum of objectification/sexism/exploitation/whatever. some activities on that spectrum are going to be less desirable than others, but they're all undesirable to some degree. theft is not as bad as murder but it's still crime, etc.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:00 AM   #144
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Sometimes my impulse is to touch a boob. Sometimes it is to look at one. Sometimes I wanna make a thread discussing the diversity of a boob. I'm really just a victim of circumstance really.
those are your impulses. people can't be faulted for their impulses. you can't choose what you want.

but that doesn't mean it's cool for you to do whatever you want.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 06:35 AM   #145
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you're arguing that we should feel guilty that we're programmed to do things?

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:29 AM   #146
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how on earth do you interpret that from anything i said

let's try again with extra emphasis

people can't be faulted for their impulses.

you can't choose what you want.

but that doesn't mean it's cool for you to do whatever you want.

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:35 AM   #147
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i'm sorry that doesn't really make sense

i'm starting to wonder if you know what the fuck you are talking about

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:36 AM   #148
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i mean i feel like you're trying to marry determinism to beliefs in feminism/whathaveyou and i'm sorry but i don't understand how that can possibly even make logical sense

if we are meat robots then what actually is "cool" isn't it just a completely useless self delusional standard since we have no free will anyway

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:49 AM   #149
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why do you want to feel guilty, t-lish? you catholic too?

 
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:49 AM   #150
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i'm not talking about determinism at all. if determinism is true, this debate is just a script playing out and it doesn't matter what anyone wants (or does). for the sake of discussion, let's just continue to assume we all have agency, okay?

anyway. what is being consistently conflated here are two quite different categories of behaviour:

1) wanting to look at naked women, and
2) enthusiastically participating in a system that reduces women to the status of consumer goods.

criticising the latter implies nothing about the former except perhaps causation. how is that hard to grasp? it doesn't matter what you want – that's not relevant. desire is generally short-term, and can generally be overridden. what matters is how you act, and the consequences of your actions.

consider: imagine you have an occasional inclination to kill your neighbour. well, that's unfortunate and sick and probably you should seek help for that. but you shouldn't be locked up for thinking it. on the other hand, if you kill your neighbour...

 
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