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07-30-2018, 02:36 PM | #151 |
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A lot of my friends felt the same way about the album Adore and "Ava Adore" in 1998. We got a quirky, fun, and tasteful pop rock song with weird lyrics, one of the most concise guitar solos in the band's history, and a fun music video. It did misrepresent the album to a degree.
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07-30-2018, 02:42 PM | #152 | |
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Adore probably sold better because it was under the SP brand but I think long-term, it ended up doing more damage to the band. Because if you were really only into SP for songs like Cherub Rock and Bullet, that album might have put you off of them. And if you did stick around in hopes that they'd get back to their roots with the next album, Machina might have killed those hopes for you. |
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07-30-2018, 02:43 PM | #153 |
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astral planes is dire but i don't hate it because i associate it with this now:
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07-30-2018, 02:45 PM | #154 |
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07-30-2018, 02:57 PM | #156 | |
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07-30-2018, 03:55 PM | #157 | |
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07-30-2018, 04:18 PM | #158 |
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07-30-2018, 09:15 PM | #159 | |
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07-30-2018, 09:37 PM | #160 | |
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07-30-2018, 09:42 PM | #161 |
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07-30-2018, 09:44 PM | #162 | |
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He should have saved Eye, TEIBITE, TBITEITB, the early electro-ish Cash Car Star and the good version of Saturnine and it might have rocked even harder and balanced the organic and the heavy synth stuff. |
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07-30-2018, 10:38 PM | #163 | |
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I remember buying the CD as a kid and thinking "What the fuck is this?" I ended up trading it in at a CD shop. |
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07-30-2018, 10:47 PM | #164 | |
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07-30-2018, 10:56 PM | #165 |
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I'd prefer an album full of songs like To Sheila than Ava Adore tbh
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07-30-2018, 11:09 PM | #166 |
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absolutely
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07-30-2018, 11:31 PM | #167 |
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The fuck are you guys on about TEG being a bait and switch. The distinct wall of sound during the chorus can be heard throughout Machina.
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07-30-2018, 11:53 PM | #168 |
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Oh, come on. You can’t seriously tell me that after hearing TEG, you were expecting an album of mid-tempo pop songs, most of which have guitar parts that you can barely discern due to all the synth and other weird shit thrown in. You could take that cartoon shown above and replace “Adore” with “Machina”, the Ava Adore lyrics with the lyrics of TEG, and the opening line of To Shield with “Pop tart, what’s our mission?” and it would be just as effective. Actually more effective, because Adore is a much better album that Machina I.
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07-31-2018, 03:00 PM | #169 | |
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TEG is a partial bait and switch perhaps, but literally nothing on Adore sounds like Ava Adore. That song is way more akin to TEITBITE. But taking TEG, I can easily hear the elements that made that song on The Imploding Voice and Heavy Metal Machine. |
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07-31-2018, 03:37 PM | #170 |
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TEG would have been more representative of an album that had more stuff like White Spyder or Dross on it. Call it a symptom of Machina being broken up in an unintended way but I always thought he was really trying to revisit the MCIS structure of having two discs with a few hard rocking numbers, a few mellow numbers, and a lot of overall variety.
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07-31-2018, 03:53 PM | #171 |
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Well no way he was getting 5 singles to represent Machina.
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07-31-2018, 09:12 PM | #172 |
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http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon14.gif http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon14.gif http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon14.gif easily one of if not the best (studio) track from that whole era. TG EP 2 in general is probably the single best EP/album release from SP2 in general, all it's really missing is Jimmy but even that doesn't hurt it so much |
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07-31-2018, 09:13 PM | #173 | |
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It may a bit more obvious-single than most of it, and upbeat in its own dark way, but it's hardly the furthest thing in the world from tracks like Pug & Tear |
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07-31-2018, 09:58 PM | #174 |
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MACHINA is not that bad
No idea why there’s such angst |
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08-01-2018, 12:19 AM | #175 |
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I love both Machinas. I think the sad thing though is just that Machina 1 is too bloated with filler. And of course, Machina 2 has some great cuts that got left off of Machina 1.
I think if the best tracks off each album were put into 1 album and mixed/mastered to be cohesive, we'd be looking at Machina as one of the top SP records (or at least a notch below SD and MCIS). But sadly, Virgin and the SP pre-breakup obviously disssolved all of that. I hated getting Machina and seeing that some of the tracks from the Arising tour were off or poorly recorded and that better versions existed on Machina 2 (and better songs too). |
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08-01-2018, 12:31 AM | #176 | |
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08-01-2018, 12:49 AM | #177 |
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I honestly feel bad for him. Billy must have really messed with head. He hasnt even been playing music apparently. Hopefully one day he will be able to talk publicly about what happened without worrying about bollys lawyers coming at him.
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08-01-2018, 12:52 AM | #178 |
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Or maybe it still would have flopped, I don't know. But I think that a lot of us who were disappointed in Machina I would have been a lot happier. I do think it's a shame that it wasn't released as a double album because maybe then, the whole thing would have felt more balanced. |
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