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06-25-2017, 10:17 PM | #61 | |
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Also, he could have put out an ad about the reunion at any time between his solo album and Zeitgeist. Doing it on the day his album was released was not necessary. Announcing the reunion, per se, is not what caused the successful sales. Obviously there would be an announcement at some point, but that's not what caused the sales. Putting it out under the SP name is what caused the sales. |
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06-25-2017, 10:21 PM | #62 |
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So if your point is "reviving the SP name helped Zeitgeist sell" well no shit, think we all understood that 10 years ago
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06-25-2017, 10:38 PM | #63 | |||
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One would be hard pressed to know that many posters understood that based on a lot of the replies in this thread. |
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06-25-2017, 10:41 PM | #64 |
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Or maybe you are the one being confusing, if everyone else is confused at your point, when literally everyone understands why Billy brought back the SP name because it's obvious?
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06-25-2017, 10:42 PM | #65 |
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I mean someone basically said "lol i hope he doesn't put out another SP add over this solo album, that didn't help his solo album succeed last time" and you're like "oh yes it worked once" but you really meant "it worked to help zeitgeist succeed, that he brought the sp monkier back."
i mean what |
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06-25-2017, 10:45 PM | #66 | |
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I don't know why this annoying me so much right now I just can't stand you doubling down on something this dumb |
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06-25-2017, 10:47 PM | #67 | |
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http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...8&postcount=63 And if it's so obvious why Billy brought back the SP name, then why is everyone confused as you put it? |
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06-25-2017, 10:48 PM | #68 | |
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I mean, did he, or did he not promote TFE with an SP reunion announcement? And didn't that reunion announcement come with a plug that he had a new solo LP coming out? I suppose since TFE didn't sell a billion copies you want to say that I'm wrong here, but that doesn't mean he didn't promote the solo album with the reunion announcement. |
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06-25-2017, 11:01 PM | #69 | |
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Yes he did promote it, but you're saying it worked when it clearly overshadowed the record
regardless, that apparently wasn't even your point, as you just explained that your point was that changing the name back to SP is what helped zeitgeist. but now it is your point again? you just agreed that this was your point Quote:
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06-25-2017, 11:02 PM | #70 | |
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Regardless, the ad itself was a dumb idea and it completely overshadowed the solo record, and people are right to think it'd be stupid to do the same thing again |
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06-25-2017, 11:58 PM | #71 | |
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I honestly had no idea that TFE had even come out (or was coming out) until I read the news regarding the SP reformation (or whatever Corgan wanted to call it). Now idk if you're a musician or if you've ever been in a band or not, but I'd wager that damn-near every musician/band would love to have had that kind of exposure in a major newspaper on the day of an album's release... especially in 2005 when record sales and newspaper circulation were far greater than they are today. I'm surprised that this conversation has gotten as out of control as it has. I felt I made a simple comment and it's completely escalated (not hostile thankfully) beyond what I ever thought it would have. I honestly try to be very clear and I know that's not always easy on msgboards for a multitude of reasons. |
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06-26-2017, 01:01 AM | #72 |
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Yes it was not clear, but I don't think anyone disagrees that Billy was intending to promote TFE and that he ultimately needed the SP name to sell records.
Anyway have a good night, it's a dumb argument since we do agree on these things I am a musician btw but just for pleasure |
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06-26-2017, 06:53 AM | #73 |
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In my opinion, revealing he was reuniting the pumpkins while releasing a new album just didn't do him any favours. Suddenly everybody was talking about the reunion, speculating who was in the band and shouting for pumpkins songs at his solo gigs.
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06-26-2017, 07:36 AM | #74 |
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people were shouting for sp songs at his solo gigs before he announced the reunion.
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06-26-2017, 08:03 AM | #75 |
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06-26-2017, 09:49 AM | #76 |
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Guys. TFE sold less than 100k total albums or whatever. Who cares.
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06-26-2017, 04:20 PM | #77 |
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06-26-2017, 05:16 PM | #78 |
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06-26-2017, 05:46 PM | #79 |
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this whole thread is so 2017 smashing pumpkins
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06-26-2017, 08:33 PM | #80 |
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Fact is that SP's mid 90's work is still highly regarded and it's enough to always carry some financial/ touring success for the brand.
I listen to this Stingray app/ TV feature and they have different radio stations and there's one called "Indie Classics" that kicks ass. Pixies, Smiths, Radiohead, Talking Heads, Pavement, Magazine, Morissey ETC... All the critical darlings pretty much and songs from Siamese Dream and MCIS are regularly played. I guess my point is that SP is never going to fully be "washed-up" in the sense that a band like Live or Everclear are because SP has a chunk of songs that will continuously stand the test of time. |
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06-26-2017, 09:08 PM | #81 | |
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If you have a problem with me then private msg me and we'll talk about in private. If you're too chicken shit to do that then do everybody a favor and shut the fuck up. |
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06-26-2017, 09:14 PM | #82 |
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06-26-2017, 09:27 PM | #83 |
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dude i don't even care anymore but it's worth examining if you're being unclear when everyone misunderstood you, don't you think?
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06-26-2017, 10:54 PM | #84 |
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06-26-2017, 11:59 PM | #85 |
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06-27-2017, 01:42 AM | #86 |
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Yep. Listen to SiriusXM's Lithium (90's Alt & Grunge) channel... a lot of the shite on there is from bands who are clearly washed up, like Live or Better than Ezra. The SP stuff stands out.
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06-29-2017, 04:46 AM | #87 |
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I just thought that D'Arcy is gonna play a solo show in August >>>
http://i.imgur.com/xRUuhaq.png That information is not correct. They mixed up the name D'Arcy Wretzky with the name of the band "d'arcy". http://i.imgur.com/tBqt0NW.png The funny thing is...I went to the Bandcamp page of that band: https://darcytheband.bandcamp.com/album/body Listen to their song "Body"...reminds you of a certain song?...LOL. |
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06-29-2017, 06:04 AM | #88 |
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It's like Nirvana covering Drown
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07-01-2017, 06:19 PM | #89 |
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I wonder if Boz will release his America-themed album on the 4th of July.
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