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Old 01-01-2009, 08:44 PM   #1
pattycakes77
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Default analog tape transfers

freshly unemployed now with more time on my hands, i was thinking of finally getting around to transferring the 200 tapes i got from Joshua Hoffman ages ago to digital to upload to archive.org. i guess i'll ask here first if anyone knows of a good way to do this? i will NOT send these tapes to anyone so that is out of the question. i have a nice soundcard with analog in, optical in, and SPDIF in but my stereo only supports analog out via RCA cables. with me being unemployed, i don't have money to dump into buying a fancy receiver with optical outs either. so, question #1 is, would it be worth my time to start transferring these tapes with my current setup or is the consensus to wait until i have the funds to buy a 100% digital setup and go from there?

here is a copy of his old web page with his take on grading and generation. the tapes i have are in RED. you all tell me if there is anything on here worth transferring and in what order they should be done if it's something previously unavailable or better gen/source than what's out there already. these have been collecting dust on a shelf ever since i got them and i'd rather get them out to fans to enjoy before they rot away. i'm not trading these, just seeing if i should transfer and upload for you all to enjoy or not. thanks.

last updated: 09/12/99

The Smashing Pumpkins
total shows: 313
My Grading System:
Note: No grading system is flawless and my sound quality gradings are strictly a manner of opinion
5 - Crystal clear, flawless recording
4 - Lowered frequency response, but otherwise excellent recording
3 - Excessive crowd noice, overall distorted and echo on vocals
2 - Hissy and warbled, music very unintellible
1 - I don't have any of these and you don't want any of these
+ - In between the rating indicated and the next highest rating
- I own a CD copy of this show
audience (analog) recording - Analog source tape
audience (DAT) recording - DAT source tape
audience (MD) recoring - MiniDisc source tape
audience (VID) recording - Amateur video source
remastered audience recording - Studio remastered source tape
FM recording - FM broadcast source
TV recording - Professional video source
0 gen - Master copy
?? gen - Generation unknown
Low gen - Exact generation unknown, but most likely either 1st or 2nd.

* = new show

10/05/88 Cabaret Metro, Chicago IL:
35 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 2.5+

06/16/90 Club de Wash, Madison WI:
35 minutes, soundboard recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

12/31/90 Cabaret Metro, Chicago IL:
45 minutes, soundboard recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

02/08/91 Maxwell's Pub, Hoboken NJ:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

02/09/91 T.T The Bear's, Cambridge MA:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5+

02/12/91 CBGB’s, New York City NY:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

06/22/91 Reckless Records, Chicago IL:
35 minutes, audience (VID) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3

06/23/91 Rose Records, Chicago IL:
30 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

07/12/91 Khyber Pass Pub, Philadelphia PA:
65 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

07/19/91 Club Babyhead, Providence RI:
65 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

07/21/91 The Moon, New Haven CT:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4.5

07/31/91 Danceteria, New York City NY:
55 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

08/03/91 Maxwell's, Hoboken NJ:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

08/17/91 Rough Trade Records, San Francisco CA:
35 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

08/17/91 I-BEAM, San Francisco CA:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

08/20/91 Backstage Tavern, Seattle WA (Virgins) :
65 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5


09/01/91 De Doerlen, Rotterdam HOL:
35 minutes, audience (VID) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

09/??/91 VPRO, Hilversum HOL:
30 minutes, FM recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/16/91 Oscar Meyer Theater, Madison WI (full show):
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

10/16/91 Oscar Meyer Theater, Madison WI:
35 minutes, soundboard recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/17/91 Duke Ellington Ballroom, Dekalb IL:
35 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/23/91 Michigan State University, East Lansing MI:
25 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

10/30/91 Concert Hall, Toronto CAN:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

11/02/91 Memorial Auditorium, Burlington VT:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/03/91 Civic Center, Springfield CT:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

11/08/91 Tower Theatre, Upper Darby PA:
20 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/11/91 Roseland Ballroom, New York City NY:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 5th gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/29/91 Aragon Ballroom, Chicago IL:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 6th gen, sound quality: 3.5

12/04/91 unknown venue, Kansas City MO:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 2.5

12/07/91 The Unicorn, Houston TX:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5

12/17/91 Whiskey A Go Go, Los Angeles CA:
60 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

12/28/91 Portland Underground, Portland OR:
40 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 2.5+

01/16/92 Vooruit, Gent BEL:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

01/17/92 BXL, Brussels BEL :
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

01/18/92 Effenaar, Eindhoven HOL:
85 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

01/19/92 Trojan Horse, Den Haag HOL:
75 minutes, soundboard recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

01/20/92 Melkweg, Amsterdam HOL:
85 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4+

01/26/92 The Loft, Berlin GER:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

01/28/92 Luxor, Cologne GER:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

02/05/92 Elysee Montmarte, Paris FRA:
30 minutes, FM recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

02/14/92 Astoria Theater, London UK:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

03/28/92 Cabaret Metro, Chicago IL:
15 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

06/09/92 The Unicorn, Milwaukee WI:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

07/11/92 Blackout Records, Chicago IL:
35 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 5th gen, sound quality: 3+

08/05/92 Washington Square, Miami FL:
95 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

08/10/92 328 Performance Hall, Nashville TN:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

08/23/92 Greater London Radio, London UK:
10 minutes, FM recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3+

08/29/92 Reading Festival, Reading UK:
55 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3

09/02/92 The Loft, Berlin GER:
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

09/03/92 Batschkapp, Frankfurt GER:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

09/04/92 Tor 3, Dusseldorf GER:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3+

09/06/92 Metropolis Festival, Werchter BEL:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

09/12/92 Town & Country Club, London UK:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3+

12/01/92 The Point, Atlanta GA:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 2.5

03/15/93 Center Stage, Atlanta GA:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3

06/02/93 Del Mar Fairgrounds, San Diego CA:
90 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

06/29/93 Studio 10S, Paris FRA:
65 minutes, FM recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

07/23/93 The Unicorn, Milwaukee WI:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

07/26/93 Tower Records, Chicago IL :
30 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

08/07/93 Phoenix Center, Pontiac MI:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3

08/12/93 Cabaret Metro, Chicago IL:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4+

08/13/93 Cabaret Metro, Chicago IL:
100 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4+

08/14/93 Cabaret Metro, Chicago IL (A La Mode Vol. II) :
135 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

08/24/93 Melody, Stockholm SWE:
50 minutes, FM recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

08/28/93 Lowlands Paradise Festival, Dronten BEL:
45 minutes, soundboard recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

09/08/93 Bataclan, Paris FRA:
80 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4.5

09/15/93 Manchester Academy, Manchester UK (Spaceboy) :
70 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5+

09/18/93 Barrowlands, Glasgow SCOT:
?? minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: ??

10/05/93 First Avenue Club, Minneapolis MN:
95 minutes, soundboard recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/18/93 Warfield Theatre, San Francisco CA:
90 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

10/19/93 Warfield Theatre, San Francisco CA:
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

10/22/93 The Palladium, Hollywood CA:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5+

10/23/93 UCSB Robertson Gymnasium, Santa Barbara CA:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 5th gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/26/93 Crosby Auditorium, Del Mar CA:
85 minutes, soundboard recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 5+

10/28/93 SNL Rehersals, New York City NY:
45 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

11/18/93 Ritz Theater, Raleigh NC:
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/20/93 WUST Music Hall, Washington DC:
100 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

11/21/93 WUST Music Hall, Washington DC:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

11/23/93 Roseland Ballroom, New York City NY:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/24/93 Roseland Ballroom, New York City NY:
85 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

11/30/93 Metropolis, Montreal CAN:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3+

12/01/93 Palladium, Toronto CAN:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3+

12/09/93 Aragon Ballroom, Chicago IL:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

12/11/93 Bogart's, Cincinatti OH:
85 minutes, soundboard recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

12/12/93 Universal Ampitheater, Los Angeles CA:
30 minutes, soundboard recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 5

02/21/94 Albamhalle, Munich GER (Whatever) :
75 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

02/23/94 Astoria Theatre, London UK:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

02/24/94 Astoria, London UK:
100 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5+

02/25/94 Astoria Theatre, London UK:
80 minutes, soundboard recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

03/04/94 Salo Oporto, Madrid SPN:
40 minutes, TV recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

03/23/94 Redbird Arena, Normal IL:
100 minutes, audience (VID) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3

03/24/94 Southern Illinois University, Carbondale IL:
95 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3

03/25/94 Palmer Auditorium, Davenport IA :
100 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

03/27/94 Memorial Hall, Kansas City KS:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

03/28/94 University Plaza CC, Springfield MO:
90 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5+

04/01/94 South Park Meadow, Austin TX:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3+

04/02/94 Sunken Gardens, San Antonio TX:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

04/05/94 Convention Center, Little Rock AS:
100 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 2+

04/08/94 Gulfcoast Coliseum, Biloxi MS:
80 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

04/09/94 Leon County Civic Center, Tallahasse FL:
110 minutes, audience (analog) records, 1st gen, sound quality: 3+

04/12/94 Memorial Gym, Nashville TN:
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

04/15/94 William & Mary Hall, Williamsburg VA:
100 minutes, audience (VID) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 2.5+

04/17/94 Rockwell Hall, Buffalo NY:
150 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

04/18/94 R.A.A.C S.U.N.Y, Albany NY:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

04/21/94 CCBC Golden Dome, Pittsburgh PA:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

04/22/94 Breslin Auditorium, East Lansing MI:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

04/26/94 Eagles Ballroom, Milwaukee WI:
110 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+

04/27/94 The Fillmore, San Francisco CA:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

05/22/94 Rock am Ring Festival, Nurenburg DEN:
55 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

06/18/94 Double Door, Chicago IL (Starchildren):
60 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3

07/07/94 Sam Boyd Stadium, Las Vegas NV:
75 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

07/12/94 Harriet Island, St. Paul MN :
?? minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: ??

07/14/94 Marcus Amphitheatre, Milwaukee WI:
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3

07/16/94 World Music Theatre, Tinley Park IL:
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5+

07/22/94 Deer Creek Center, Indianapolis IN:
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

07/27/94 Le Parc Iles, Montreal CAN:
75 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3

07/28/94 Molson Park, Barrie ONT:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

08/01/94 FDR Park, Philadelphia PA:
75 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 5th gen, sound quality: 3+

08/03/94 Quonset Airport, North Kingston RI:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3+

08/06/94 Downing Stadium, Randalls Island NY:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

08/08/94 Charlestown Raceway, Charlestown WV:
60 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4+

08/10/94 Walnut Creek Amphitheatre, Raleigh NC:
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

*08/11/94 Blockbuster Pavillion, Charlotte NC:
?? minutes, audience (MD) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: ??

08/15/94 BiCentennial Park, Miami FL:
85 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

08/20/94 Starplex Amphitheater, Dallas TX:
80 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

08/21/94 Starplex Amphitheater, Dallas TX:
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

08/25/94 San Diego State University Aztec Bowl, San Diego CA:
75 minutes, audience (VID) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+

08/28/94 Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View CA:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

08/31/94 The Gorge, George WA:
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

09/04/94 Cal-State/Dominguez Hills Carson CA:
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

02/21/95 Double Door, Chicago IL:
120 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

02/27/95 Double Door, Chicago IL:
65 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3+

02/28/95 Double Door, Chicago IL:
120 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

03/02/95 666 - MCIS Recording Sessions, Chicago IL:
75 minutes, TV recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

08/23/95 Club SFX, Dublin IRE:
90 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

08/25/95 Reading Festival, Reading UK:
65 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5+

08/26/95 Pukkelpop Festival, Hasselt BEL:
90 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

*10/19/95 Madison Theater, Peoria IL:
?? minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: ??

10/23/95 Riviera Theatre, Chicago IL :
75 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

12/12/95 The Milky Way, Melkweg HOL :
75 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

01/03/96 The Phoenix, Toronto CAN:
120 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

01/05/96 9:30 Club, Washington DC:
145 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

01/06/96 9:30 Club, Washington DC:
135 minutes, audience (TV) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

01/12/96 The Academy, New York City NY:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4+

*01/27/96 Apoteose, Rio de Janeiro BRZ:
?? minutes, soundboard recording, 1st gen, sound quality: ??

01/30/96 SOMA, San Diego CA:
160 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

01/31/96 SOMA, San Diego CA:
155 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4+

02/02/96 The Palace, Los Angeles CA:
150 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

02/04/96 The Palace, Los Angeles CA (electric only):
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4+

02/06/96 Kezlar Pavilion, San Francisco CA:
160 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5

02/07/96 Kezlar Pavilion, San Francisco CA:
155 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5

02/09/96 Moore Theater, Seattle WA:
180 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4.5

02/10/96 Moore Theater, Seattle WA:
155 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

02/29/96 T-J Dindeang Stadium, Bangkok THA:
75 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3+

03/04/96 Entertainment Centre, Perth AUS:
115 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

03/09/96 Entertainment Centre, Melbourne AUS:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

03/13/96 Request Lounge, Sydney AUS:
35 minutes, soundboard recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/03/96 Ahoy Hall, Rotterdam HOL:
105 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/05/96 Ahoy Hall, Rotterdam HOL:
115 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality:4.5

04/06/96 Flanders Expo Hall, Gent BEL:
125 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

04/07/96 Philipshalle, Dusseldorf GER (Secrets of Your Dreams) :
70 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5+

04/09/96 KB Hallen, Copenhagen DEN:
120 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/12/96 Spektrum, Olso NOR:
80 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

04/14/96 Sportshalle, Hamburg GER:
115 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/15/96 The Arena, Berlin GER:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 5

04/17/96 Musichalle, Hannover DEN:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/19/96 Messe B, Stuttgart GER :
80 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

04/24/96 Palatrussardi, Milan ITL:
130 minutes, FM recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

05/02/96 Cascais Arena, Lisbon Portugal:
135 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3

05/03/96 La Nave, Madrid SPA:
40 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/11/96 The Point, Dublin IRE:
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

05/14/96 Webley Arena, London UK:
145 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+

05/15/96 Brixton Academy, Brixton UK:
180 minutes, TV recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

05/20/96 Hordern Pavilion, Sydney AUS:
130 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3+

06/15/96 Tibetan Freedom Concert, San Fransisco CA:
35 minutes, soundboard recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

06/27/96 Market Square Arena, Indianapolis IN:
125 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

07/02/96 Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo NY:
140 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

07/03/96 Gund Arena, Cleveland OH:
100 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

07/05/96 Spectrum, Philadelphia PA:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

07/06/96 Spectrum, Philadelphia PA:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

07/09/96 USAir Arena, Landover MD:
145 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

07/10/96 USAir Arena, Landover MD:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

08/27/96 Thomas and Mack Center, Las Vegas NV:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

08/28/96 Delta Center, Salt Lake City UT:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

08/30/96 McNichols Arena, Denver CO:
?? minutes, ?? recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: ??

08/31/96 Kansas Coliseum, Wichita KS:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

09/06/96 Civic Arena, Pittsburgh PA:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

09/11/96 Molson Centre, Montreal CAN:
105 minutes, audience (TV) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

09/14/96 Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto CAN:
130 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 2.5+

09/17/96 Madison Square Garden, New York City NY:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5+

09/18/96 Madison Square Garden, New York City NY:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

09/22/96 Target Center, Minneapolis MN:
145 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

10/01/96 Bradley Center, Milwaukee WI:
145 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

10/04/96 Rosemont Horizon, Chicago IL:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

10/05/96 Rosemont Horizon, Chicago IL:
140 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

10/06/96 Rosemont Horizon, Chicago IL:
165 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/26/96 The Mark, Moline IL:
140 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 3.5

10/29/96 Freedom Hall, Louisville KY:
120 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

11/01/96 Civic Center, Hartford CT:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3+

11/02/96 Knickerbocker Stadium, Albany NY:
135 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3+

11/04/96 Cumberland County Civic Center, Portland ME:
130 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

11/06/96 Centrum, Worcester MA:
120 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/12/96 Dean Dome, Chapel Hill NC :
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5+

11/16/96 Lakeland Civic Center, Lakeland FL:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

11/19/96 The Omni, Atlanta GA:
150 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/22/96 Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis TN:
85 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4.5

11/23/96 Myriad Arena, Oklahoma City OK:
175 minutes, audience (analog) recording, low gen, sound quality: 3.5

11/27/96 Gulfcoast Coliseum, Biloxi MS:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

11/30/96 Frank Erwin Center, Austin TX:
120 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

12/01/96 Reunion Arena, Dallas TX:
160 minutes, audience (DAT) reocrding, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5+

12/03/96 The Summit, Houston TX:
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

12/07/96 America West Arena, Phoenix AZ :
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

12/09/96 Arrowhead Pond, Anaheim CA:
130 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

12/11/96 San Diego Sports Arena, San Diego CA:
170 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3+

12/14/96 Cow Palace, San Francisco CA:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

12/14/96 Cow Palace, San Francisco CA:
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4

12/16/96 San Jose Arena, San Jose CA:
180 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

12/18/96 Great Western Forum, Los Angeles CA:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

01/06/97 Key Arena, Seattle WA (soundcheck):
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

01/06/97 Key Arena, Seattle WA (full show):
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

01/07/97 Rose Garden, Portland OR:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

01/08/97 GM Place, Vancouver CA :
145 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

1/14/97 Sioux Falls Area, Sioux Falls SD :
?? minutes, audience (analog) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: ??

01/18/97 Assembly Hall, Bloomington IN:
120 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4

01/19/97 Riverfront Coliseum, Cincinnati OH:
130 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5+

01/21/97 SIU Arena, Carbondale IL:
110 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5

01/22/97 Savage Hall, Toledo OH:
135 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3

01/24/97 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY:
125 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 2.5+

01/25/97 New Haven Coliseum, New Haven CT:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

01/26/97 War Memorial Stadium, Rochester NY:
150 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

01/28/97 Mullen Center, Amhearst MA:
110 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

01/29/97 Bryce Jordan Center, State College PA:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

01/30/97 Richmond Coliseum, Richmond VA:
165 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3+

02/04/97 Pensacola Civic Center, Pensacola FL:
140 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

02/05/97 Lakefront Arena, New Orleans LA:
165 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4.5

02/17/97 Carnegie Hall, New York City NY:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3+

06/23/97 Double Door, Chicago IL:
90 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4

06/27/97 Glastonbury Festival, Glastonbury UK:
80 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 4

06/27/97 Glastonbury Festival, Glastonbury UK :
?? minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: ??

06/28/97 Roskilde Festival, Rosklide DEN:
85 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

06/29/97 Open Air Festival, St. Gallen SWZ:
60 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

07/02/97 Imperial Ao Vivo, Oporto POR:
100 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound qulaity: 3

07/05/97 Torhout Festival, Torhout BEL:
95 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

10/18/97Shoreline Amphitheater, Moutian View CA:
50 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

10/19/97 Shoreline Amphitheater, Moutian View CA:
50 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

11/01/97 Texas Motor Speedway, Fort Worth TX:
70 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

11/03/97 Aragon Ballroom, Chicago IL:
35 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

12/05/97 Orange Bowl, Miami FL:
60 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

01/15/98 Viper Room, Los Angeles CA:
50 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/02/98 The Metro, Chicago IL:
65 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 2.5+

05/12/98 Jools Holland, London UK:
20 minutes, FM recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5+

05/14/98 Spielbudenplatz, Hamburg GER:
110 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

05/14/98 Spielbudenplatz, Hamburg GER (soundcheck):
40 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

05/16/98 Porto Antico, Genova ITL:
85 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/19/98 Aula Magna, Lisbon POR:
155 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/20/98 RTVE Studios, Madrid SPN :
40 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

05/23/98 Shepherd's Bush, London UK:
70 minutes, TV recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/23/98 Shepherd's Bush, London UK:
?? minutes, ?? recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: ??

05/25/98 Skansen, Stockholm SWE:
135 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3

05/25/98 Skansen, Stockholm SWE:
40 minutes, FM recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/26/98 Tivoli Gardens, Copenhagen DEN:
60 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

05/28/98 Botanique Gardens, Brussels BEL:
130 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

05/31/98 Olympia Theater, Dublin IRE:
110 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4

06/01/98 Pinkpop Festival, Landgraf NL:
50 minutes, FM recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

06/04/98 Palais Des Sports, Paris FRA :
130 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

06/07/98 Gradinata dell EUR, Rome ITL:
135 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3

06/09/98 Lycabettus Theater, Athens GRE :
120 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5+

06/11/98 Gorbunova’s Hall, Moscow RUS:
?? minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: ??

06/18/98 Entertainment Centre, Sydney AUS:
115 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+

06/19/98 Circular Quay, Sydney AUS:
90 minutes, FM recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5+

06/20/98 Melbourne Park, Melbourne AUS:
140 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+

06/23/98 Budokan Hall, Tokyo JAP (KROQ Broadcast):
55 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

06/23/98 Budokan Hall, Tokyo JAP:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5+

06/30/98 Bill Graham Civic Center, San Francisco CA:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+

07/01/98 Universal Amphitheater, Los Angeles CA:
125 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

07/05/98 Marcus Amphitheater, Milwaukee WI:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4.5

07/07/98 World Music Theater, Tinley Park IL:
40 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

07/08/98 State Theater, Detroit MI:
115 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+

07/10/98 Will Rodgers Theater, Dallas TX :
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

07/12/98 Bayou Place, Houston TX :
130 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5+

07/14/98 Sandstone Amphitheatre, Bonner Springs KS:
90 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 2.5+

07/15/98 All Sports Stadium, Oklahoma City OK:
80 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

07/17/98 Aquatennial, Minneapolis MN:
80 minutes, audience (VID) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

07/19/98 MuchMusic Studios, Toronto CAN :
70 minutes, TV recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

07/20/98 Massey Hall, Toronto CAN:
160 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

07/21/98 Blossom Amphitheater, Cuyahoga Falls OH :
75 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 3.5

07/22/98 Riverbend Theatre, Cincinnati OH:
80 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

07/28/98 Tower Theatre, Philadelphia PA :
130 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

07/29/98 DAR Constitution Hall, Washington DC:
100 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5+

07/30/98 53rd Street, New York City NY:
20 minutes, FM recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5

07/30/98 53rd Street, New York City NY (full performance w/ soundchecks):
45 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5+

07/31/98 Orpheum Theater, Boston MA :
110 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

08/01/98 Radio City Music Hall, New York City NY:
135 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5+

08/02/98 Radio City Music Hall, New York City NY:
115 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5+

08/04/98 Fox Theatre, Atlanta GA :
140 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5+

08/05/98 Grand Ole Opry House, Nashville TN:
115 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

08/06/98 Ovens Auditorium, Charlotte NC :
125 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

08/08/98 Sunrise Musical Theatre, Fort Lauderdale FL:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4+

08/21/98 La Capilla, Buenos Aires AR:
50 minutes, FM recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4.5

10/31/98 Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles CA :
65 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

12/12/98 Shrine Auditorium (KROQ Acoustic Christmas), Los Angeles CA :
50 minutes, FM recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

04/10/99 St. Andrew's Hall, Detroit MI :
110 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/12/99 Bogart's, Cincinnati OH :
105 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/14/99 Tramps, New York City NY :
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

04/15/99 9:30 Club, Washington DC :
110 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

04/17/99 Metropol, Pittsburgh PA :
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4.5

04/19/99 Ogden Theater, Denver CO :
65 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4

04/21/99 Celebrity Theater, Phoenix AZ :
?? minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: ??

04/23/99 Spreckles Theater, San Diego CA :
120 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

Early 1989 Demos:
60 minutes, studio recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 3.5

Earphoria:
75 minutes, soundboard recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 5

Forgotten Songs Pt. 1:
65 minutes, studio recording, 0 gen, sound quality: 4+

Mashed Potatoes :
?? minutes, various recordings (RealAudio sourced), 0 gen, sound quality: ??

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness Demo Tape:
60 minutes, studio/soundboard recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5

Moon Demo (w/ Madison Demos):
45 minutes, studio recording, 2nd gen (from actual masters!), sound quality: 5

The Smashing Pumpkins Demo:
45 minutes, studio recording, 2nd gen (from actual masters!), sound quality: 4.5+

 
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WHOA

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06/02/93 Del Mar Fairgrounds, San Diego CA:
90 minutes, FM recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4
could this one be a misdate? pattycakes77, please post some more info about this one...what are the first few songs that were played?

 
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could this one be a misdate? pattycakes77, please post some more info about this one...what are the first few songs that were played?
i guess it might be, i never got around to listening to most of these shows or checking them against spfc. that one definitely is not listed on spfc. the show on Josh's list is labeled 06/02/93 and so is the cassette i have on hand. setlist on the case is listed as:
side a:
geek usa
rocket
today
i am one
quiet
siva
cherub rock
bury me

side b:
rocket
tristessa
rhinoceros
window paine
bury me
siva
soma
hummer

so, i have no clue what's going on with this cassette. there is a large possibility that it was either labeled wrong or some one got the dates or info wrong and it was traded to Josh like this. see if something on spfc matches this somewhat but then if they didn't get the date right who knows if the gen info is correct either? seems like two different shows since they double some of the songs, side a might be one show and side b something else. or maybe it's just garbage!
thanks for pointing that out. anything else in that list look fishy?

 
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These look really cool! What kind of tape deck do you have?

 
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These look really cool! What kind of tape deck do you have?
it's an old sony (TC-WR661) i got with my component system around '99 i think. i've done some tape transfers with it before, and even though there is the typical tape hiss i don't really know what difference it would make transferring it digitally, my ears wouldn't know a difference that's for sure.

 
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Old 01-03-2009, 01:56 PM   #7
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06/02/93 Del Mar Fairgrounds, San Diego CA is 10/26/93 A long time ago, I recall it commonly being mislabeled as 06/02/93. Much like 10/05/88 was mislabeled as 04/10/88 for a long while.

 
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:18 PM   #8
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I'm also sitting on some upgrades. Thom Jones bought up Dave Asselin's cassettes a years ago and I borrowed a few dozens tapes from him for transferring. I've transferred them all, but haven't done much as far as editing goes, due to laziness, a job that keeps me busy, and perhaps lack of interest.

I say you transfer these shows, but note my comments on some:

02/12/91 CBGB’s, New York City NY:
40 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 3.5
The only circulating copy is from the "Party All Night" bootleg. Is this actually a 1st gen copy off the master or the CD?

07/31/91 Danceteria, New York City NY:
55 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+
an unknown gen already circulating. perhaps this is better quality?

08/03/91 Maxwell's, Hoboken NJ:
45 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4
an unknown gen already circulating. perhaps this is better quality?

12/17/91 Whiskey A Go Go, Los Angeles CA:
60 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 1st gen, sound quality: 4
The only circulating copy is from the "Daydream Kisses" bootleg. Is this actually a 1st gen copy off the master or the CD?

01/18/92 Effenaar, Eindhoven HOL:
85 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 4
an unknown gen already circulating. perhaps this is better quality?

01/28/92 Luxor, Cologne GER:
80 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5+
an unknown gen already circulating. perhaps this is better quality?

02/14/92 Astoria Theater, London UK:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, ?? gen, sound quality: 3.5
an unknown gen already circulating. perhaps this is better quality?

10/19/93 Warfield Theatre, San Francisco CA
10/28/93 SNL Rehersals, New York City NY:
45 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 4th gen, sound quality: 4
It's likely from the PRO video, not an audience DAT recording

02/24/94 Astoria, London UK
03/24/94 Southern Illinois University, Carbondale IL
04/22/94 Breslin Auditorium, East Lansing MI
07/27/94 Le Parc Iles, Montreal CAN
08/03/94 Quonset Airport, North Kingston RI
09/04/94 Cal-State/Dominguez Hills Carson CA
08/23/95 Club SFX, Dublin IRE
08/31/96 Kansas Coliseum, Wichita KS
09/06/96 Civic Arena, Pittsburgh PA
09/11/96 Molson Centre, Montreal CAN
11/02/96 Knickerbocker Stadium, Albany NY
01/19/97 Riverfront Coliseum, Cincinnati OH
01/24/97 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY
05/25/98 Skansen, Stockholm SWE
06/20/98 Melbourne Park, Melbourne AUS


There's no way to have a 100% digital setup when you're involving cassettes. There will need to be an analog to digital conversion at some point. I've just been using my DAT home deck for that. You'll need to get something to handle the A>D converstion that has an optical or coax(SPDIF) out.

 
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andrew,
i have no clue about the lineage of any of these shows other than what i got from Joshua's list that i copied word for word how he listed them and graded them. i guess all i can do is transfer them and see if they sound better than what's out there right now. i would assume that these were all tape to tape copies and the gen info is what tape gen they are, not copies from CD or CDR.

so for the ana to digi conversion, you would recommend waiting until i get a receiver that has a digital out to my digital in on my soundcard and not just going RCAs to the soundcard? it may be some time before i can do that, but i definitely don't want to transfer these shows twice. so, if the best thing to do is to hold on to these and wait until i have a better ana to digi setup, i'm all for it. i just hope i have the time to do it then. that's usually how it goes, when you have money you don't have time, and when you have time you don't have money

just know that since i'm not into trading anymore, i'll be happy to put up what i've got on archive when the time is right. no sense in holding on to this stuff anymore. i may inquire about a few shows that i once had on CDR that seem to have degraded some that i would like to get again if anyone wants to supply me with or let me know where they can be downloaded from, didn't see them on archive. 1993-07-30 iowa city, 1994-07-12 st. paul?, 1996-10-26 moline, 1994-03-25 davenport.

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I suppose a comparison would be the only way to verify that the cassette copies you have of the shows that have been released via bootleg CDs are from the bootleg CDs or not.

I was suggesting you get a hold of an analog to digital converter, not necessarily upgrade your receiver. Although, one can find great deals on receivers these days on amazon or newegg. I bought an Onkyo receiver for just under $250 earlier this year on amazon and it's definitely better than the previous no-name receiver I had.

You might try finding those shows on the hub. I have no idea if it's up and running these days...

 
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good god that's a ton.

 
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You should transfer these ASAP, they aren't circulating or are circulating very lightly/incompletely:

10/19/93 Warfield Theatre, San Francisco CA:
100 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+
--incomplete transfer by DE circulates

06/20/98 Melbourne Park, Melbourne AUS:
140 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+
--ANA-2 transfer exists, nobody seems to have it

06/30/98 Bill Graham Civic Center, San Francisco CA:
130 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 4+
--all the copies I can find of this are flawed

07/08/98 State Theater, Detroit MI:
115 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3+
--ANA-M transfer is out there but nobody seems to have it




These are (potential) upgrades:
04/22/94 Breslin Auditorium, East Lansing MI:
70 minutes, audience (analog) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+
--ANA-4 transfer circulates


These are alt. sources to already circulating stuff:

12/16/96 San Jose Arena, San Jose CA:
180 minutes, audience (DAT) recording, 3rd gen, sound quality: 3.5+
--if this is in fact an AUD and not the ALD source then it is uncirculated

05/14/98 Spielbudenplatz, Hamburg GER:
110 minutes, audience (MD) recording, 2nd gen, sound quality: 3.5
--FM sources circulate

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Old 01-03-2009, 06:00 PM   #13
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The Moscow recording is not real, and if you paid attention, you'd know he doesn't have that cassette anyways as it is not marked in red. For a short amount of time, the show being traded out by one guy, and as soon as everyone got their copy, we discovered that it was a fake. It was 5/26/98 or one of the other FM broadcast shows from the Euro 98 tour. The guy passed it off as 6/11/98 and of course got a lot of trades out of it.

 
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damn, I should have read that bit about stuff marked in red closer...previous post edited accordingly

 
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I hope you didn't find a job, pattycakes77

 
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got a temp part time job to help with bills etc. but, i'm really waiting to see about the A>D converter before i go all in on this project. i'm shopping around for a new receiver so if anyone has any recommendations i'd appreciate them. i'm checking amazon, ebay, and newegg as suggested. hope to get some of these started soon.

 
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Do not buy a receiver off ebay.

 
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Pat, I definitely have the St. Paul show from a reliable source, maybe some of the others you mentioned. Will go dust off my spindle...

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Edit: I couldn't find St. Paul, I did however find Davenport and Iowa City. Davenport sounds god awful, Iowa City is pretty good, but archive.org is giving me an upload error at the moment...

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Pat, I definitely have the St. Paul show from a reliable source, maybe some of the others you mentioned. Will go dust off my spindle...

Curt

Edit: I couldn't find St. Paul, I did however find Davenport and Iowa City. Davenport sounds god awful, Iowa City is pretty good, but archive.org is giving me an upload error at the moment...
If you don't up the shows I will upload them tonight/tomorrow...problem is though this thread is from 2009 odd so looks like this could be a doomed project. As I'm putting everything up on archive anyway I'll continue with uploading them..

Pattycakes must of got a job

 
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Ahh, I knew it was January, but I didn't notice the year. Anyway, I uploaded 7/30/93 Iowa City. This is my first time using archive.org, I uploaded .wavs and I understand they will make mp3/ogg conversions automatically from that.

Internet Archive: Free Download: Smashing Pumpkins 1993-07-30 Gabe's Oasis, Iowa City, IA

 
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This is a copy of the one currently in circulation

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Internet Archive: Free Download: Smashing Pumpkins Live at Harriet Island on 1994-07-12

1994/07/12 - Harriet Island; St. Paul, MN, US


Set:


Soma
Rocket
Geek U.S.A.
Disarm
Quiet
Cherub Rock
Drown
Hummer
I Am One (with rant)
Today
Siva

Encore 1:


Mayonaise

Encore 2:


Silverfuck
> Over the Rainbow [Harburg/Arlen] (tease)

07/12/94 Harriet Island - St. Paul, MN DAT DAT/AUD/0 76 /07 [SS/D7] DDC? 44.1k
I also uploaded the copy I had of 1993-07-30 to compare with silverstrats as the cuts are different...My copy was a rip done by Slurpee.

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http://www.archive.org/details/tsp1993-07-30.shn

The Smashing Pumpkins
93.07.30
Gabe's Oasis
Iowa City, IA

ANA1->CDR(2).
Songs cut on this Copy (Mayonaise, Silverfuck) are also cut on master.

Set:


Rocket
Quiet
Today
Rhinoceros
Geek U.S.A.
Spaceboy
I Am One
Soma
Disarm
Starla
Snail
Cherub Rock
Mayonaise (end cut)
Siva
Drown
Silverfuck (beginning cut)
> Over the Rainbow [Harburg/Arlen] (tease)


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Encoded to SHN via EAC by Slurpee
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Old 03-28-2010, 06:16 AM   #22
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1996-10-26 and all that

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Smashing Pumpkins Live at Mark of the Quad Cities on 1996-10-26 (October 26, 1996)

The Smashing Pumpkins
Date: 1996-10-26
Venue: The Mark Of The Quad Cities
City: Moline, IL

Taper: ??

Source: AUD video -> ?? -> cd-r -> EAC -> SHN

Flaws: It was sourced from an audience VIDEO!! Not the best quality.

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* THIS SHOW IS NOT TO BE ENCODED TO ANY LOSSY FORMAT (MP3) OR SOLD! *
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Tracklisting:

Disc 1:

1. MCIS / Where Boys Fear To Tread
2. Zero
3. Cherub Rock
4. Tonight, Tonight
5. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby
6. To Forgive
7. Today
8. Siva
9. Disarm
10. B.W.B.W.
11. Fuck You
12. By Starlight
13. Muzzle

Disc 2:

Encore 1
1. 1979
2. In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita (tease) / X.Y.U.

Encore 2
3. Porcelina
4. Silverfuck

1994-03-25..Actually pretty listenable show

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Smashing Pumpkins Live at Palmer Auditorium on 1994-03-25 (March 25, 1994)

The Smashing Pumpkins
Date: 1994-03-25
Venue: Palmer Auditorium
City: Davenport, Iowa

Taper: unknown

Source: AUD -> DAT -> SS mic > D7 -> CDR? -> EAC -> SHN

Flaws: There are some minor skips at 7:22 and 7:30 on disc 2 track 3. And this is the most important part because Billy is
talking about playing a new song for the first time on the entire Siamese Dream tour (which turns out to be B.W.B.W.).

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* THIS SHOW IS NOT TO BE ENCODED TO ANY LOSSY FORMAT (MP3) OR SOLD! *
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Tracklisting:

Disc 1:

1. Cherub Rock
2. Quiet
3. Disarm
4. Today
5. Rocket
6. Rhinoceros
7. Siva
8. Drown
9. Hummer
10. Geek U.S.A.

Disc 2:

1. Soma
2. I Am One
3. Mayonaise
4. Bye June (tease) / Communication Breakdown [Led Zepplin] (tease) / Unchained [Van Halen] (tease)
5. Bullet With Butterfly Wings
6. unknown instrumental / Spaced (tease) / Suffer (tease)
7. Silverfuck / Jackboot
8. Sweet Sweet

Notes: Well, I'm pleased to say that I was personally on the barricade at this show. I didn't know it at the time, but this
turned out to be a pretty monumental show. It was the VERY first live performance of B.W.B.W. ever!! A whole 19 MONTHS before
Mellon Collie was released - and I was only 5 feet away - hehe. Anyway, this show holds the ONLY known tease of Communication
Breakdown [Led Zepplin], one of only 4 known teases of Spaced (and recall that Pisces Iscariot wasn't released until
Oct. 94 - still 7 months from this show), as well as one of the very few versions of Bye June (which you can tell that
Billy would've played the whole thing if he could only have remembered it). It also has only one of 3 known teases of
Unchained [Van Halen]. And it all happened in a matter of 15 minutes. As I said, I didn't know the full meaning of
this show at the time, but I'm glad I was a part of it.

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Old 03-31-2010, 12:32 AM   #23
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If pattycakes77 ever rises from the dead I'd love to see that 1991.11.11 tape transferred. As sad as it sounds, an ANA-5 is probably an upgrade to my ANA-? transfer.

 
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i'm pretty sure ben golomb had an ana-5>cdr copy on his list before it went boom

 
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