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12-10-2012, 08:26 PM | #31 |
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m/btm/cut
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12-10-2012, 10:01 PM | #32 |
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a/s/l?
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12-10-2012, 10:12 PM | #33 |
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No commentary on the bonus stuff? Fucking Belly.
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12-10-2012, 10:15 PM | #34 |
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enjoyed reading it, thanks
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12-10-2012, 11:00 PM | #35 |
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12-10-2012, 11:22 PM | #36 |
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thanks for the scans. pretty good read. the best part is seeing the original uncropped collages.
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12-11-2012, 01:39 AM | #37 | |
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it's a book end. it's got as much importance as the opening instrumental, and that's no insult. taking the moment to step aside from albums continuity (as disjointed as it is) is still really important to the continuity of the entire album. it makes the record breath because for a brief moment it's NOT a billy corgan song. in that respect I guess james could have contributed ANYTHING, he happened to write a nice sweet iha ballad (and lets be honest, it's a pretty typical iha song) |
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12-11-2012, 02:22 AM | #38 |
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The boy should have been on this album. Could have been a hit ffs.
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12-11-2012, 02:38 AM | #39 |
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12-11-2012, 02:49 AM | #40 |
Socialphobic
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how many threads are we going to derail into "my perfect MCIS track list would cut/add X track"
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12-11-2012, 03:07 AM | #41 |
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no. its just a fact of life that the boy should have been on mcis; making the album better, and repairing fractured relationships.
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12-11-2012, 03:07 AM | #42 |
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ffs you dont know that
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12-11-2012, 03:15 AM | #43 |
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12-11-2012, 03:17 AM | #44 |
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12-11-2012, 03:57 AM | #45 |
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just put on the boy and close your eyes. if you dont believe that shit, i dunno man. "believe, believe in me" - billy corgan - GLOWer - michael scott
i have to agree with the other guys in here, too. beautiful goes nowhere. its great. if anything it should have been on disc 1 as well. two beautifuls. |
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12-11-2012, 04:42 AM | #46 | |
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12-11-2012, 04:56 AM | #47 |
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Shit, I initially read that as Monte sucked my crayon with some lipstick on, and started masturbating vigorously before reading the end of the sentence
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12-11-2012, 01:49 PM | #48 |
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loved billy's comments about farewell and goodnight. it's a song they never would have bothered with if not for the mellon collie concept. such a "sly" dig at iha's songwriting. i cant even imagine what it would have been like to be in a band with corgan. aside from the millions of dollars rolling in. that i can imagine and enjoy.
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12-11-2012, 01:52 PM | #49 |
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I've never been able to imagine this as an Iha song... I guess it's because Billy got his hands on it. Maybe it's also because it doesn't have James uncomfortably trying to belt out awkward notes.
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12-11-2012, 03:08 PM | #50 | |
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Except the "And you can tell it's a just as well" bridge sounds like a Corgan thing, like he just inserted a new bridge into it for some modulation. |
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12-11-2012, 03:45 PM | #51 | |
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i like believe better than they boy |
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12-11-2012, 04:04 PM | #52 |
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The Boy sounds a little too close to 1979 (as mucha s God soudns liek Bullet), and there really isn't any room for Believe. I'd say Believe could have replaced Stumbleine, fitting in between Ruby and XYU if anything...
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12-11-2012, 04:33 PM | #53 |
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The Boy doesn't sound like 1979 at all. Are you drawing the comparison because of the drumbeat? That doesn't matter.
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12-11-2012, 04:50 PM | #54 |
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There are so many ways you could change the tracklist of MCIS and still have it work. That whole 1979 EP was incredible. 'Cherry', 'The Boy', 'Believe', 'STRJ', and 'Ugly' were all strong enough songs to be on the album. 'Love' could be replaced by one of those and I wouldn't miss it.
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12-11-2012, 06:02 PM | #56 |
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The Boy is 1979 played backward.
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12-11-2012, 06:12 PM | #57 |
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12-11-2012, 07:02 PM | #58 |
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i've heard this before but i just don't get it.
I happen to like the flow of MCIS, but if I were to listen to it on shuffle I'd still be as pleased. I've always seen the sequence sorted like this -intro- Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness -padded singles front end- Tonight, Tonight Jellybelly Zero Here Is No Why Bullet With Butterfly Wings To Forgive (I suspect billy wanted this as a single, his' follow up to Disarm) -digging in territory for SP fans...- An Ode To No One Love Cupid De Locke Galapogos Muzzle -typical SP epic track and bookend- Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans Take Me Down - digging deep some more for SP fans part 2 Where Boys Fear To Tread Bodies Thirty-Three In The Arms Of Sleep 1979 Tales Of A Scorched Earth -Beginning of the end- (with two eipcs!!) Thru The Eyes Of Ruby Stumbleine X.Y.U. -pre ending- We Only Come Out At Night Beautiful Lily (My One And Only) By Starlight -outro- Farewell And Goodnight aside from the porcelina & take me down.. all those middle songs could be interchangeable without drastically affecting the continuity of the album. even the thee 'epics' are interchangeable. ending 1 is just a hint of the bigger ending to come, where billy double downs on epics and closers. even SD is laid out this way - singles in the front (quiet is a mistake), SP fan songs in the middle , epic silverfuck, pre-ending (sweet sweet) then outro (luna) :shrug: |
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12-12-2012, 12:42 AM | #59 |
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Yeah thanks for the upload...good read.
I think Billy was in one of those "sincere" modes while writing the liner notes - I like that he just fucking explained what some of the songs were about; however, it is still nonetheless a bit spoilt by the unnecessary attempts at purple prose. It simply detracts from readability with those overly oblique references. Billy is trying too hard. Is the whole explanation of the "god is empty" line not a bit of a re-write of history though - he seems to be suggesting that he was basically a Christian (maybe not exactly in the strictest sense) even at that point? I know that he's always sort of played with vaguely spiritual imagery and themes throughout his life but I didn't really think this was the case. |
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12-12-2012, 12:46 AM | #60 |
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i dont' want to know about billy's Christianity
when I think about it I just want to throw out all his cds. |
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