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Old 08-29-2012, 03:33 AM   #1
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Default Have you read Steppenwolf?

In German or English?

Really wish I could read German right now. I met a German scholar once who told me without any hint of pretension and with great emotional openness that if I liked Hesse I should really learn enough German to read his work in the original language. I haven't read any Hesse for over a decade but I'm finally reading Steppenwolf. I have a train and ferry journey to my new psychologist. The practice is in an arty part oftown, right on the water, full of galleries. I just had my first good espresso in months and I'm sitting here in this little refuge reading Steppenwolf and it feels almost like a dream.

Have you read Steppenwolf??

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:47 AM   #2
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I read siddhartha. It was p coll

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 03:54 AM   #3
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German is a great language. You get to make all kind of "SPRCH" sounds

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:00 AM   #4
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I read Siddhartha first, too.

I took German for a year at high school so I know a tiny bit and have good pronunciation. But not a lot of comprehension lol.

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:02 AM   #5
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I like saying STRASSE

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 04:03 AM   #6
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My hostel was on a street called SPICHERNSTRASSE

so much spittle

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:56 AM   #7
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magic carpet ride is a dope song

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 12:11 PM   #8
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I've read Siddhartha and Journeys to the East or whatever it's called. Both were fantastic.

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 12:55 PM   #9
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yes its easy to get lost in the text

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:02 PM   #10
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yeah read it in german. it is queit gutt.

not as good as siddharta though. that's the one you really should read in german, or otherwise you won't get to enjoy the stark, minimalist, pseudobiblical language

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:22 PM   #11
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I read half of Siddhartha sitting under a tree in a public park in Midtown KC last August or so, I think it was. I stopped after every chapter and thought about stuff.

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:14 PM   #12
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I have read Steppenwolf. An ex-gf of mine insisted on me reading it as some kind of break-up note/message. I did some years later and I liked it. Gotta love Hermine.

 
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Old 08-29-2012, 09:15 PM   #13
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whenever I see Hesse's "the glass bead game" I think of anal beads

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:32 AM   #14
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not as good as siddharta though. that's the one you really should read in german, or otherwise you won't get to enjoy the stark, minimalist, pseudobiblical language
are german bibles traditionally stark and minimalist because they are absolutely the opposite in the english tradition

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:53 AM   #15
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i think the bible is traditionally held to be a book that does not try to overwhelm you with complex sentences and refined rhetorical splendor. it's supposed to be simple and earnest and direct. (note that this is just about style, not about interpretation)

 
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that's completely false in the english tradition though

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:58 AM   #17
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of course, misdirected awe of the first comprehensive attempts to make the bible understood by laymen (king james, luther) has led people to believe that it's a book full of mysterous 'thous' and sentences that begin with 'da ward'

 
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even stuff from american tradition is really heavy on flowery language

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:59 AM   #19
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i personally think it's so that you need a person to interpret it and tell you what it means

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:01 AM   #20
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when i learned latin, i (like most people) had to translate cicero and the like. authors that have a reputation of being the pinnacle of rhetoric. moving from this to the vulgate (and remember, this is exactly what literate people did when christianity spread in the empire) is like reading netphoria after reading shakespeare

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:03 AM   #21
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i'm not saying that it isn't full of metaphors, but the sentences are very short and simple and similar in structure. and siddharta is like this in german.

 
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did you ever read tacitus in latin? or otherwise?

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:26 AM   #23
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I found Cicero so difficult. I think the Vulgate must be a walk in the park compared to Cicero. Did Hesse write like that because he was fairly untrained as a writer?

That was a great tip about the books with two languages, I hadn't heard of those, thanks.

 
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did you ever read tacitus in latin? or otherwise?
yeah he's simpler than cicero but by no means as simple as the recurring structures in the vulgate

 
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I found Cicero so difficult. I think the Vulgate must be a walk in the park compared to Cicero. Did Hesse write like that because he was fairly untrained as a writer?
no no, i think he made a conscious effort to give the book a similar atmosphere. maybe it's just me though.

 
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i really love the translation i have, it's just so forceful and terse

 
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no no, i think he made a conscious effort to give the book a similar atmosphere. maybe it's just me though.
isn't this often a german stylistic trend or value? I recall being kind of amazed with how i didn't always need the subtitles in aguirre the wrath of god because all the dialog is so simplistic that it was easily comprehended across the language barrier

granted a lot of simple german words are similar to their equivalents in english

 
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why have you read tacitus, Tro

 
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(it's a wordplay on bro get it)

 
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Old 08-30-2012, 02:38 AM   #30
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i had it for a class way back when and i didn't really read it because i'm a dickhead

but now i'm reading it just because i know fuck all about rome

 
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