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Old 12-21-2007, 07:09 PM   #1
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Default Hillary Clinton wants to take away your video games

So does Mitt Romney
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Clinton Would Crack Down on Computer-Generated Cartoon Sex

By Kevin Poulsen http://blog.wired.com/images/icon_email.gifDecember 21, 2007 | 3:46:11 PMCategories: Election '08


http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncateg...t_coffee_2.png Hillary Clinton is still outraged that Rockstar Games left a sexually-themed mini game nestled in its best-selling Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas in 2005.

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncateg.../clinton_3.jpg You'll recall the kafuffle when the deactivated love scene was found buried in the code for the otherwise wholesome car jacking, cop-killing shooter. The unfinished mini-game featured clothed characters simulating sex acts. To access the scene, randy teens had to download and install a special patch developed by a Dutch coder, expending more effort than it takes to find real, human adult content on the web.


That all led some cynics to suspect Clinton of grandstanding when she called a press conference to denounce Rockstar and demand a Federal Trade Commission investigation into San Andreas. The ESRB re-rated the game to AO for "adults only," raising the minimum age of purchase from 17 to 18 years old -- a crucial year in which a teen develops the necessary psychological defenses to resist the Siren song of polygon porn.

But in a response to a questionnaire from the watchdog group Common Sense Media, Clinton reveals today that she still sees the affair as a victory for child safety. She describe her introduction of the doomed Family Entertainment Protection Actas a response to the "illicit" sexual content in San Andreas, and says, as president, she'd support regulation of the gaming industry.

"When I am President, I will work to protect children from inappropriate video game content," she told CSM.

That puts her on the same page as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who told CSM that the U.S. needs to "get serious against those retailers that sell adult video games that are filled with violence and that we go after those retailers." Clinton's fellow Democrats John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson said they'd rather give the industry a chance to self-regulate, at least initially.

Clinton's Family Entertainment Protection Act would have made it a federal offense to sell adult-rated video games to minors. It never passed, but similar state laws have been struck down as unconstitutional. Clinton's co-sponsor on the bill, Joseph Lieberman, had his own video game nemesis: Stubbs the Zombie, who, like too many politicians, needs braaiiiins.

 
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:11 PM   #2
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SONOFABITCH IM VOTING RON PAUL NOW THEN

 
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:16 PM   #3
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Yeah she's pretty big on this. She probably just sucks at games

 
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Old 12-21-2007, 07:58 PM   #4
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Old 12-21-2007, 08:25 PM   #5
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Can't take an article seriously that uses the word "kafuffle."

 
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Old 12-21-2007, 08:32 PM   #6
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This is definately a major issue.

 
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Old 12-21-2007, 09:33 PM   #7
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I don't see why people get all hot and bothered by this kind of shit. They act like Clinton is taking their copy of GTA and burning it. She supports appropriate labeling on games and there are a lot of games that should tough for a kid to just walk into a store and pick up.

I worked at a video game rental store for a long time and it was very frustrating to try and do the right thing. I always wished it was more standard to check ids and not let kids get their hands on that kind of shit.

years of watching 6 year old kids renting Manhunt, GTA, Leisure suit larry, etc sure put me in the mind of "FUCK ... this shit needs to change."

 
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Old 12-21-2007, 10:02 PM   #8
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Can't take an article seriously that uses the word "kafuffle."
yeah seriously its kerfuffle.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 02:34 AM   #9
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The REAL issue is that stores won't carry adult rated games. Sony won't even allow adult rated games on their system (that's why manhunt 2 had to be edited down). The solution is for adult only games (like nc-17 movies) to be acceptable and mainstream.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 05:59 AM   #10
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If Tipper Gore can do it, so can hills.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:32 AM   #11
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Oh no!

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 10:25 AM   #12
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Yeah, bloody Tipper and Hillary.

I really hope McCain gets elected, although he'd be the oldest president in history.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 03:57 PM   #13
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Id bang her rotten. Id double team her with bill a few times, but then back to more intimate fucking. She looks kinky as hell.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:25 PM   #14
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I don't see why people get all hot and bothered by this kind of shit. They act like Clinton is taking their copy of GTA and burning it. She supports appropriate labeling on games and there are a lot of games that should tough for a kid to just walk into a store and pick up.

I worked at a video game rental store for a long time and it was very frustrating to try and do the right thing. I always wished it was more standard to check ids and not let kids get their hands on that kind of shit.

years of watching 6 year old kids renting Manhunt, GTA, Leisure suit larry, etc sure put me in the mind of "FUCK ... this shit needs to change."
your store could have easily had a policy, but instead you'd rather the government regulate your store?

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:25 PM   #15
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Id bang her rotten. Id double team her with bill a few times, but then back to more intimate fucking. She looks kinky as hell.
i'm pretty sure bill isn't attracted to her and she isn't attracted to penis

 
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i'm pretty sure bill isn't attracted to her and she isn't attracted to penis
2 doses of rohypnol.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:01 PM   #17
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Im a Nintendo fanboy, this doesnt affect me.

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 11:31 PM   #18
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your store could have easily had a policy, but instead you'd rather the government regulate your store?

that's the point. YES the company COULD have had a policy. But the company didn't give a shit about the children and were worried about making money(The owners were heavy donors of the republican party btw).


This is exactly why some government regulation is a good thing. Thanks for bringing it up!

 
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Old 12-22-2007, 11:54 PM   #19
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your store could have easily had a policy, but instead you'd rather the government regulate your store?
yes, because leaving companies to regulate themselves works out so well

 
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:56 PM   #20
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that's the point. YES the company COULD have had a policy. But the company didn't give a shit about the children and were worried about making money(The owners were heavy donors of the republican party btw).
Yeah, because everyone knows the republicans never let their sense of morality and decency override the desire to make a buck. That's why they never try to censor things to impose their morality on the rest of us. The Democrats are the only ones who care for the children!!!



Censorship (or "protecting the children") is an equal opportunity fuckup in American politics as far as party affiliation goes. Both sides have people who favor it, and all of those people are wrong.

And really, is the risk of some 15 year old kid playing Grand Theft Auto really worth unleashing the power of the federal government against individual business owners and corporations? I don't see how anyone can support this kind of stuff on any level.

 
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Old 12-24-2007, 02:13 PM   #21
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Yeah, because everyone knows the republicans never let their sense of morality and decency override the desire to make a buck. That's why they never try to censor things to impose their morality on the rest of us. The Democrats are the only ones who care for the children!!!



Censorship (or "protecting the children") is an equal opportunity fuckup in American politics as far as party affiliation goes. Both sides have people who favor it, and all of those people are wrong.

And really, is the risk of some 15 year old kid playing Grand Theft Auto really worth unleashing the power of the federal government against individual business owners and corporations? I don't see how anyone can support this kind of stuff on any level.



I didn't say that Republicans don't care about children... That would be absurd based on the moral america bullshit that the religious right pushes forth.

It's not censorship. It's putting the power in the hands of the parents where it should be. The games can still be made and sold.

Any business that sells or rents The Guy Game to a 6 year old needs to be punished.

 
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Old 12-25-2007, 05:34 PM   #22
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I didn't say that Republicans don't care about children... That would be absurd based on the moral america bullshit that the religious right pushes forth.

It's not censorship. It's putting the power in the hands of the parents where it should be. The games can still be made and sold.

Any business that sells or rents The Guy Game to a 6 year old needs to be punished.
No, it's putting the power in the hands of the government.

Oh, and I think the parents are involved as most 6 year olds don't have $60 and easy access to get to and from such stores

 
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Old 12-26-2007, 01:08 AM   #23
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Oh, and I think the parents are involved as most 6 year olds don't have $60 and easy access to get to and from such stores


Let me break this down for you.

1. takes 5 bucks to rent a game.

2. video rental stores are in the neighborhood. A lot of kids just walk or ride their bikes.

3. The younger ones come with their older siblings.

Reality has a liberal bias I guess.

 
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Old 12-26-2007, 01:13 AM   #24
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Nimrod:

Do you think the government should have the power to stop kids from renting pornography??


Or are you that much of an anti-regulation guy?

If not then why not?

 
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Old 12-26-2007, 01:41 AM   #25
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Let me break this down for you.

1. takes 5 bucks to rent a game.

2. video rental stores are in the neighborhood. A lot of kids just walk or ride their bikes.

3. The younger ones come with their older siblings.

Reality has a liberal bias I guess.
Of all the kids who you were forced to rent porn and adult video games to while you worked for the evil movie renting corporation, just how many of them really rode in on their bicycles or walked from home? Maybe things are different where you live, but where I'm from the video stores are generally never anywhere close to where you'd want a bunch of rugrats running around unsupervised or riding their bikes. From my experience, stores are generally in commercial areas, not neighborhoods.

I have never walked or ridden my bike to the video store. I don't know anyone who has. I haven't even heard of anyone who has. And I imagine it's that way for most people. Again, maybe it's different where you live, but in most places I don't think unaccompanied minors find their ways into the video store all that often (and certainly not often enough for the federal government to be involved).

Besides, this whole business about the government protecting kids from porn is just pointless. Anyone who's ever been young knows that kids have their ways of seeing what's forbidden to be seen. If kids can get around their parents' protection, why in the world would you expect the government to do any better? All the government can do is make things hard on people who are already of age to view the stuff legally.

 
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Old 12-26-2007, 02:10 AM   #26
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I would think Southeast Michigan/Metro Detriot(ie the middle class/upper class suburbs) are pretty common... and I've traveled a bit to know that it is common.

I've worked in 15 different stores in this area and lots of kids ride their bikes and/ or walk. Lot of them hit up the video store while walking home from school. This is a fact. I used to ride my bike to work.


You're second point about kids renting porn is just silly. Just because kids find ways to see it doesn't mean it should be legal and fine to profit from it in a business. Kids can find guns in their parents house too that doesn't mean the government can't impose a restriction so that Kmart doesn't sell a shotgun to a minor.

If you can't concede this point at least then really there is no point in debating anymore.

 
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I would think Southeast Michigan/Metro Detriot(ie the middle class/upper class suburbs) are pretty common... and I've traveled a bit to know that it is common.

I've worked in 15 different stores in this area and lots of kids ride their bikes and/ or walk. Lot of them hit up the video store while walking home from school. This is a fact. I used to ride my bike to work.
Fine, even if I was to accept that kids often show up at video stores all over the country unaccompanied by adults, and with money to spend, there's still a lot of other factors to consider before we allow the Gestapo to come in and start clamping down on small businesses. What is the percentage of minors who rent videos and games without any parental input versus the percentage of ones that do? What percentage of these kids who come in without parents actually try to rent something inappropriate? You can't call for intrusive federal legislation based on anecdotal evidence alone.

And of course, the most important question is: is a kid playing a violent game or seeing a little porn really the sort of devastating social problem that we need the federal (or state, for that matter) government to take care of? Sure, no one likes the idea of kids seeing porn...but do we really want to use the power of government to stop something just because it makes us uncomfortable? What's the goal that's going to be achieved with this exertion of power over businesses and consumers?

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You're second point about kids renting porn is just silly. Just because kids find ways to see it doesn't mean it should be legal and fine to profit from it in a business. Kids can find guns in their parents house too that doesn't mean the government can't impose a restriction so that Kmart doesn't sell a shotgun to a minor.
Okay, you're comparing porn to deadly weapons. Think about that for a second.

I'm not saying "Let the kids buy their porn. They're gonna get it anyway." I'm just saying that there is no reason to think that the government is in any better position whatsoever to keep porn out of kids' hands than parents are, so it makes no sense to get them involved in this issue.

 
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Fine, even if I was to accept that kids often show up at video stores all over the country unaccompanied by adults, and with money to spend, there's still a lot of other factors to consider before we allow the Gestapo to come in and start clamping down on small businesses. What is the percentage of minors who rent videos and games without any parental input versus the percentage of ones that do? What percentage of these kids who come in without parents actually try to rent something inappropriate? You can't call for intrusive federal legislation based on anecdotal evidence alone.

And of course, the most important question is: is a kid playing a violent game or seeing a little porn really the sort of devastating social problem that we need the federal (or state, for that matter) government to take care of? Sure, no one likes the idea of kids seeing porn...but do we really want to use the power of government to stop something just because it makes us uncomfortable? What's the goal that's going to be achieved with this exertion of power over businesses and consumers?


Okay, you're comparing porn to deadly weapons. Think about that for a second.

I'm not saying "Let the kids buy their porn. They're gonna get it anyway." I'm just saying that there is no reason to think that the government is in any better position whatsoever to keep porn out of kids' hands than parents are, so it makes no sense to get them involved in this issue.

Oh it makes complete sense. If the some nut decided it would be ok to sell my child Back Door Sluts 9 you better believe I want to be able to call the police and have the fucker arrested.

 
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Oh it makes complete sense. If the some nut decided it would be ok to sell my child Back Door Sluts 9 you better believe I want to be able to call the police and have the fucker arrested.
I imagine that in most places you can do that already. No need to get the feds involved there. So, again, where's the fire that makes this a pressing issue that should be given the time of day by any serious politician on the national stage? I'm not seeing it.

And let's be real here, we're not really talking about kids renting or buying or being provided hardcore porn. There's already a variety of laws on nearly every level that cover that sort of thing. We're ultimately talking about stuff that's a little more difficult to define than that.

 
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you just went from arguing against ANY government intervention to arguing against federal intervention vs. state intervention..... wow Corganist.

I'm done talking about this with you. You know where I stand.

 
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