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05-25-2014, 07:57 PM | #31 | |
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Whenever you're listening to modern SP and you're like "Man, I kinda like this but it's just missing something" That something is James. Really you just have look at and hear Jeff play to see how important James was. |
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05-25-2014, 08:00 PM | #32 |
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God I hate Jeff.
All that boring ass textbook wanking. Nothing he has ever played is interesting or memorable in any way. |
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05-25-2014, 11:00 PM | #33 |
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I will agree with you there. It's academia vs soul
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05-25-2014, 11:01 PM | #34 |
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When Jeff plays it's like a math equation. James was bb king style where one note meant everything
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05-25-2014, 11:03 PM | #35 |
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As far as that " one note on the ebow" talk above, it's all about vibrato. Some got it and some don't. It's soul. Ask your gf, she'll tell you.
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05-26-2014, 12:26 AM | #36 | |
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I also agree on Jeff's "academic" playing though. Last edited by TuralyonW3 : 05-26-2014 at 12:37 AM. |
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05-26-2014, 12:29 AM | #37 |
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05-27-2014, 10:24 AM | #38 |
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I think TheFutureEmbrace is the best thing he's put out since 2000...that and Sunkissed.
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05-27-2014, 02:02 PM | #39 |
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Jeff is so boring. No stage presence and clinical, characterless guitar playing. When I saw the Faking Pumpkins on the last tour Jeff's guitar was much louder than Billy's. I don't pay to hear Jeff Schroeder's guitar.
The e-bow stuff Jeff did on 'tonight, tonight' on the last tour was terrible. It was really cheesy and sci-fi sounding. They had a mellotron on stage, why not do the string part on there? I wish Billy wouldn't let Jeff play on this new album at all. I'd much rather hear James play guitar and Billy wouldn't even let James play most of the time, so I certainly don't want to hear Jeff "Civilian" Schroeder. |
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05-27-2014, 03:47 PM | #40 |
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Jeffs pretty good. He plays the parts in a serviceable manner. That damn E-bow in Tonight, tonight was fucking terrible though.
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05-27-2014, 04:46 PM | #41 |
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was just listening to this machina show i attended when i was 15 for nostalgia purposes. this was about 2 weeks before billy announced the breakup of the band by the end of the year.
https://ia600307.us.archive.org/27/i...5d2t09_vbr.mp3 at one point during Blank Page, billy takes a letter being handed to him from the audience and starts "reading" it aloud and it's highly critical. The banter starts at about 5:00. at the last part of the letter: Billy: P.S. You guys were good around Gish, please go back to playing that kind of stuff. James: I heard a couple negatives in there but I heard two positive points they made and, uh, after the show we're gonna analyze that and uh, you'll see some results pretty soon. Given that they had probably already made the decision to end the band by that point, I laughed for like 2 minutes. James is irreplacable for the stage banter alone. |
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05-27-2014, 04:57 PM | #42 |
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Dat hair
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05-27-2014, 05:25 PM | #43 |
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05-28-2014, 05:40 AM | #44 | |
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And then there's always the consideration that Billy's standards/abilities were simply higher when Iha was in the band. From what he's said over the years he was intimidated by him and frustrated by his attitude (not a natural yes-man, apparently). I don't have exact quotes but hasn't Billy more or less said he wouldn't bring crap to the studio because he was thinking of the reaction from D'arcy and James? |
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05-28-2014, 09:03 AM | #45 |
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What if the two Jameses were the most important to the band's sound, then Billy and Darcy?
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05-28-2014, 09:28 AM | #46 |
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Lol!
Everyone knows SP is billy's music and he controlled everything and did most of it. But the james flavour was there and so was jimmy and d'arcy. It was their influence on corgan that created what we heard. Billy's song writting is not the issue, it is how the music is produced and the lack of scrutiny. James and D'arcy both have good taste and an artistic sense, they were good filters for corgan. James' solos were very unique to corgans and d'arcy's vocals were beautiful with billy's. There is a reason billy called it quits only after james decided to leave. James was important to Billy and still is, hence his inability to forgive and make peace. |
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05-28-2014, 01:11 PM | #47 |
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yeah, nowadays nobody seems to have the guts to tell billy a song of his sucks.. jeff doesn't seem like the guy who does that, he actually seems like the guy who'd go along with any kind of shit corgan writes. nicole and mike, well, during the time they were in the band, they probably couldn't even say a word about whether they like something or not, since they were pretty much 'hired guns' and had to stick with whatever billy wanted to do/write.
back in the 90s, the smashing pumpkins actually functioned as A BAND, at least in selecting and filtering songs.. which is good enough for me.. that actually proves how much james, jimmy and d'arcy provided to the quality of the music. |
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05-28-2014, 05:22 PM | #48 | |
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I think Corgans just bitter and tries very hard to throw a lot of revisionist history out there by ragging on James all of the time. I don't buy it for a second and it's sad that all of the SP fanboys just lick it up. I always hear this narrative that "Iha added nothing to the band"... But the music definitely indicates otherwise. |
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05-28-2014, 07:15 PM | #49 | |
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05-28-2014, 08:25 PM | #50 |
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Dude... We had that in zeitgeist. It didn't work!
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05-28-2014, 08:38 PM | #51 |
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I've always loved James, i'm a fan of his. His attitude, his banter, his humour, his guitar playing (yes. I've only heard of his so-called poor guitar-playing in recent years - if some people prefer the solo at the end of "Zero" BC's employee played, more power to em. I cringed so hard when I saw the "band" last year), his songs...I remember when "Let it come down" came out - it was announced, and then there was a review in a magazine I used to read. It was positive, the songtitles sounded "so James" I couldn't wait and bought it right when it came out. Good memories.
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05-28-2014, 09:14 PM | #52 |
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Oh lord. I didn't subject myself to enough new Pumpkins to really appreciate the badness.
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05-28-2014, 10:24 PM | #53 |
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05-28-2014, 10:31 PM | #54 |
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But anyway seriously
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05-29-2014, 03:43 AM | #55 |
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05-29-2014, 04:00 AM | #56 |
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Compared to most of his outbursts towards fans, that's pretty tame and rational.
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05-29-2014, 05:11 AM | #57 |
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Yeah. That sounded actually sane.
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05-29-2014, 05:45 AM | #58 |
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Not really, the question was pretty much bang on. Corgan then stresses that they're NOT hired guns and then a year later they're both outta the band. Aside from Jeff, The bands been a big revolving door since "it" reformed. So it's silly to suggest that the hired-hand notion is offensive and disrespectful.
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05-29-2014, 11:38 AM | #59 |
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stop living in the pass
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05-29-2014, 12:08 PM | #60 |
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