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Old 03-09-2015, 06:33 AM   #151
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Not really, it's the least original opinion about it.

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:35 AM   #152
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If I had a nickel for every time someone said that the songs on Loveless are poorly written, I would have enough to pay fuzzy to stop posting.

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:37 AM   #153
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If I had a nickle for every time I've actually had a conversation about Loveless I would have one nickel

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:37 AM   #154
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loveless can get repetitive but it's a pretty sublime sounding record

even if someone didn't like it it should be easy to see why it's so revered, what else even actually sounds like loveless within the "genre" ? people say he borrowed from guthrie but that's sorta a stretch if you ask me, i don't think anyone's going to mistake the cocteau twins for my bloody valentine, great as they both are

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:38 AM   #155
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And poorly written my fucking ass it's perfect pop drowned in distortion

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:45 AM   #156
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isn't anything might overall have the better songs but man i always felt like at least the drums sounded so shitty on it

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:47 AM   #157
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coulda just been high school me

i know at least feed me with your kiss was improved from that fuckin single release (talk about garbage can drums there!)

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:47 AM   #158
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loveless can get repetitive but it's a pretty sublime sounding record
It's not like it's the only repetitive sounding record in the world. Repetition is a legitimate musical device. Anyone that doesn't recognise what repetition achieves for a song and just outright dismisses repetition as lazy songwriting, is lazy a critic.

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even if someone didn't like it it should be easy to see why it's so revered, what else even actually sounds like loveless within the "genre" ? people say he borrowed from guthrie but that's sorta a stretch if you ask me, i don't think anyone's going to mistake the cocteau twins for my bloody valentine, great as they both are
I think they're compared mainly because Guthrie was one of the first to approach the physical sound of the guitar from that general direction, not that they sound exactly alike.

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:51 AM   #159
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It's not like it's the only repetitive sounding record in the world. Repetition is a legitimate musical device. Anyone that doesn't recognise what repetition achieves for a song and just outright dismisses repetition as lazy songwriting, is lazy a critic.
right, when i say repetitive in this case though i mean like i sometimes get the feeling while listening to the record that i left my "repeat track" on
this is mostly an issue for the tracks 4-5 minutes or above, not all of 'em though

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I think they're compared mainly because Guthrie was one of the first to approach the physical sound of the guitar from that general direction, not that they sound exactly alike.
i get it, just tryin to justify why i'd said there didn't seem to be much like it that came before since the most common influence people pointed at was those guys (CT)

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:53 AM   #160
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i feel like mbv (the record) warrants way more plays than i've actually given it so far

listened to only sometimes enough but the whole record i've made it through maybe twice in full

it just seems so good

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 06:58 AM   #161
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Only Shallow is such a opener

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:00 AM   #162
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And how can anyone not appreciate Soon at the very least

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:09 AM   #163
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they're just pissed they can't understand the words to sing along with kevin & his merry tunes

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:18 AM   #164
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This is way better than anything put out by MBV

Great music video too

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 09:51 AM   #165
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i like slowdive but no

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 02:45 PM   #166
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they have no twatness whatsoever, and I love it.



 
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Old 03-09-2015, 03:06 PM   #167
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Yeah the drum sound has always been the weak point of Loveless. But if you beefed it up it would eat up the frequencies of those beautiful guitars, so Shields probably ran the drum master through a tiny AM radio and re-recorded it so his guitars could shit all over everything.
i was just talkin about Isn't Anything, i can roll with the Loveless percussion

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 07:36 PM   #168
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Siouxsie Medley



This chick is badass, if you haven't listened to Dead Sara, do yourself a favor.
They are pretty good.

 
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Old 03-09-2015, 09:31 PM   #169
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mbv always had a shit drum sound

their early work isn't discussed much here but it pretty much sounds the same sans fuzz pedals

as much as i love what the guitar is doing i'm not feeling the drums or most of the vocal production

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 05:16 AM   #170
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This chick is badass, if you haven't listened to Dead Sara, do yourself a favor.
They are pretty good.
Post their best song

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 05:20 AM   #171
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Yeah, I was just listening to Loveless again after talking about it and man... I dunno, it really does sound kinda lazy... Not very good songwriting... Melodies are also sorta meh. It's a cool approach though, but hard to understand it's legendary status.
You are an actual evolutionary throwback. How do you resist the urge to eat your own hair every morning?

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 05:47 AM   #172
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Songwriting is an important craft when it comes to music. MBV has a cool vibe going, but it's not something that I'm eager to re-visit on a consistent basis.

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 05:59 AM   #173
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That's because you have like 8 or 10 chromosomes tops.

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:25 AM   #174
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Songwriting is an important craft when writing songs bro

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:42 AM   #175
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The songwriting is actually very good and is part of what makes it so good (and the main part where copycats fall short), fuzzy just thinks it's not good because it repeats more than he is used to.

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:46 AM   #176
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What I usually like about St Vincent is her angular riffs while singing, but I love this (from 6:35 to the end):



It just taps into whatever it is that I love about the Pumpkins' guitar work.

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:34 AM   #177
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The songwriting is actually very good and is part of what makes it so good (and the main part where copycats fall short), fuzzy just thinks it's not good because it repeats more than he is used to.
He just likes it when bridges transist into choruses

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:42 AM   #178
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I do love a great chorus and bridge.

It's not a necessity though. Pavements one of my favorite groups and for them it's really all about the verses.

 
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:44 AM   #179
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Pavement exudes the same slacker vibe that MBV does but Pavement still writes good songs... It's not just "hey this little melody sounds cool, lets just keep doing that for 5 minutes and add in some warbles and knick-knacks so we can justify calling it a song".

 
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I do love a great chorus and bridge.

It's not a necessity though. Pavements one of my favorite groups and for them it's really all about the verses.
What are you even talking about

 
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