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Old 02-13-2017, 09:38 PM   #331
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this dossier has made the rounds to all the news organizations. It's all but public knowledge at this point.

if the dossier was on Clinton it would have been shared with the public months ago and published on every news channel and website in the country.

 
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:41 PM   #332
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lol Scotty, you're losing your edge lately brother.

 
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:42 PM   #333
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I believe numbers 4 and 5 are true though. The political establishment is NOT happy... and that goes for Republicans too. I think they were initially giving Trump a chance to see if he'd "play nice" but since he isn't willing to act as a puppet everyones in disarray

 
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Old 02-13-2017, 11:11 PM   #334
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yeah man, I thought it was already proven to be a hoax?

Trumps a known germaphobe, I doubt he's really into Russian hookers pissing all over him.

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 01:59 AM   #335
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This is the most improprietous administration. Flynn is the first to come in the eventual leak of just how far the kremlin has infiltrated nour govt

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:25 PM   #336
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I don't think anyone has seriously mentioned that for a while and it's his weird personal life anyway. How you fine lads feeling about Flynn tho

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 03:47 PM   #337
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:11 PM   #338
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Although Spicer said the Counselor has already been counseled perhaps Kellyanne will be the next to resign.

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Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway should be investigated over her promotion of Ivanka Trump's products, a government ethics advisory body says.

The Office of Government Ethics (OGE) found reason to believe Ms Conway had violated ethics rules, five days after she urged people to buy the president's daughter's range on Fox News.

Her comments prompted complaints from both Democrats and Republicans.

They have now been backed by the OGE, which is an independent body.

In a letter on Tuesday, it advises the White House to investigate and possibly discipline Ms Conway.

It adds pressure to the Donald Trump's administration, in a week where national security adviser Michael Flynn was forced to step down over his contact with the Russian ambassador.

The White House has so far stood behind Ms Conway, who urged people to "go buy" after retailer Nordstrom dropped Ivanka's clothing line, citing a lack of sales.

Press secretary Sean Spicer did say she had been "counselled" following the incident but the OGE letter said it had received no notice of "disciplinary or any other corrective action" against Ms Conway.

"There is strong reason to believe that Ms. Conway has violated the Standards of Conduct and that disciplinary action is warranted," the letter notes.

Ethics rules state officials cannot use their position for personal gain. The letter says there is no doubt she appeared on television in her official capacity, as she sat in front of the White House seal and next to an American flag.

It recommended the investigation and any disciplinary action be taken by 28 February.
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:42 PM   #339
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yes, because 'a while' to you is more like a few days.

wonder where scotty got the idea to continually post pics of babies from? lol
Your saturn9hub thread?

 
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Although Spicer said the Counselor has already been counseled perhaps Kellyanne will be the next to resign.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38975615
No one picked up that it's not exactly a word but imprietious. Bigly imprietious, this administration. Trump is out golfing at mar a lago on the tax payers' dime while his people burn...

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:46 PM   #341
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Obama didn't even play his first game until 3 months in. But oh big guy here needs a break at the "winter whitehouse". The disrespect

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:40 PM   #342
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Day 26:
02/14/2017 Updated: 02/14/2017 02:57:41 PM PST

1/ Russia has secretly deployed a new cruise missile despite violation of the arms control treaty that helped seal the end of the Cold War. The move presents a major challenge for President Trump, who has vowed to improve relations with Putin and to pursue future arms accords. (New York Times)

2/ Trump knew Flynn misled officials on Russia calls for “weeks” the White House says. The comment contrasts the impression Trump gave aboard Air Force One that he was not familiar with a report that revealed Flynn had not told the truth about the calls. White House counsel Don McGahn told Trump in a January briefing that Flynn had discussed U.S. sanctions with Russia. (Washington Post)

3/ A member of the Senate Intelligence Committee calls for an exhaustive investigation into Trump-Russia connections following Flynn’s resignation. “The national security adviser of all the people that work with and for the President has to be absolutely trustworthy and truthful and apparently he wasn’t and he paid the price for that…” (CNN)

4/ Ethics office: Conway committed “clear violation” with Ivanka plug and recommends that the White House investigate Trump’s senior adviser. Conway offered what she described as a “free commercial” for Ivanka Trump’s clothing line after Nordstrom pulled her items from its racks, drawing a Twitter rebuke from Trump. (Politico)

5/ Russian lawmakers defend Trump’s ex-national security adviser. Russia’s foreign affairs committees are calling Flynn’s resignation a dark campaign of Russophobia and “thoughtcrime”. (Washington Post)

6/ How leaks and investigative journalists led to Flynn’s resignation. Journalists at The Washington Post, The New York Times and other outlets spoke with government officials who provided vital information about Flynn’s contacts with Russia. (CNN)

7/ Bannon’s Breitbart takes shot at Priebus: As Flynn resigns, Priebus’ future is in doubt as Trump allies circulate list of alternate chief of staff candidates. (Breitbart)

8/ House conservatives fret GOP is blowing Obamacare repeal. Hard-liners are plotting a major push to repeal the law immediately without simultaneously approving an alternative. Trump has sent conflicting signals, initially saying he wanted Congress to act immediately but then cautioning the process could take all year. (Politico)

9/ US allies in Europe have no idea “what the fuck is going on” with the Trump Administration.“It’s a wake up call to European leaders that counting on America isn’t currently a smart policy,” one European intelligence official said after the sudden resignation of the US national security advisor. (BuzzFeed News)

10/ Secret Service director to step down, giving Trump chance to select his own security chief. The head of the Secret Service is leaving his post, a little more than two years after arriving in one of Washington’s toughest jobs. (Washington Post)

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Old 02-14-2017, 09:20 PM   #343
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Fake news/hillary is corrupt/trump knows business so everything is great

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:40 PM   #344
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Obama didn't even play his first game until 3 months in. But oh big guy here needs a break at the "winter whitehouse". The disrespect
Obama only slept 4-5 hours a night for 8 years. Even on vacation he spent most of his days in briefings.


Apparently Trump gets into a bathrobe at 6 PM every night and wanders the White House obsessing over the furniture and the phone system

 
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Obama only slept 4-5 hours a night for 8 years. Even on vacation he spent most of his days in briefings.


Apparently Trump gets into a bathrobe at 6 PM every night and wanders the White House obsessing over the furniture and the phone system
Well this is conjecture. But since it can be proven how often Trump takes breaks and goes to FL on the taxpayers' dime for no reason at all, I of course don't like it. It's unprofessional, esp this early on

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:06 PM   #346
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The conservative inside of me is really bothered by his and Melania's relationshit too but I guess that ain't fair to his policy. Can't she not cost the tax payers of NYC so much just so her brat anchor kid goes to some private school?

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:11 PM   #347
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Here it comes....

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/u...rump.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

But the intercepts alarmed American intelligence and law enforcement agencies, in part because of the amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin. At one point last summer, Mr. Trump said at a campaign event that he hoped Russian intelligence services had stolen Hillary Clinton’s emails and would make them public.

The officials said the intercepted communications were not limited to Trump campaign officials, and included other associates of Mr. Trump. On the Russian side, the contacts also included members of the Russian government outside of the intelligence services, the officials said. All of the current and former officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the continuing investigation is classified.

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:13 PM   #348
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The question at this point is who isn't a traitor in the Republican Administration.

 
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:33 PM   #349
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Well this is conjecture. But since it can be proven how often Trump takes breaks and goes to FL on the taxpayers' dime for no reason at all, I of course don't like it. It's unprofessional, esp this early on
oh yeah the trump stuff is but Obama did work like that, he's the absolute opposite of Trump in terms of professionalism

 
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:30 AM   #350
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I'm not exactly sure how trump supporters defend yesterday's anti-press conference?

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Donald Trump reportedly started work in the Oval Office on Thursday morning and told his staff he wanted to hold a press conference that day.

And so he did. Boy, did he.

The event, ostensibly an announcement of the president's new pick for labour secretary, was anything but routine. New nominee Alexander Acosta wasn't even in attendance - and it probably wasn't a bad thing that he missed out, since he quickly became an afterthought to the 76-minute free-form scrum that ensued.

So much for White House message discipline. Instead, it was Trump being Trump. The off-the-cuff style got him elected president, of course, so perhaps it's how he will reboot his four-week-old (!) presidency. Donald Trump was off the leash - just the way he seems to like it.

Here are some of the highlights.

"The leaks are absolutely real; the news is fake."

Thursday's press conference was Trump v the Media, round eleventy-billion.

Mr Trump said mainstream journalists were the voice of a "broken system" of special interests that he is challenging - which can only be catnip for his base and a way of insulating himself against the recent barrage of negative stories.

When pressed on the simmering scandal over former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's contacts with Russia and how the White House handled them, the president parried and then went after "dishonest" reporters who should be "ashamed" about inaccurate reporting based on illegal leaks (the president did not acknowledge the apparent contradiction in such a statement).

He blamed reporters for the New York Times and Wall Street Journal for not directly contacting him before running unflattering stories, as though they had his personal mobile number.

He even engaged in a bit of presidential concern-trolling, telling a CNN reporter his network would "do much better by being different".

"I started off today by saying that it's so important to the public to get an honest press," Mr Trump continued. "The public doesn't believe you people anymore. Now, maybe I had something to do with that. I don't know. But they don't believe you."

Mr Trump seemed to be at his happiest in this back-and-forth with hostile reporters over whether or not the media are honest - and with good reason. While journalists care deeply about the reputation of their profession, the general public probably views it as so much navel-gazing.

Every minute debating the impartiality and truthfulness of the press is a battle fought on terrain friendly to the president.

"I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan."

Mr Trump has a habit of making statements that have, shall we say, a sometimes distant relationship with reality. He often couches the remarks in phrases like "I've heard", "people are saying", or "I guess".

Such was the case when he turned once again - in the scripted portion of his press conference, no less - to the size of his Electoral College victory last November.

In a bit of a twist, however, a reporter from NBC, Peter Alexander, called him on it minutes later.

He said that Barack Obama and Bill Clinton posted bigger margins of victory. Mr Trump replied that he was referring to Republican presidents.

Alexander countered that George HW Bush had a bigger win, too.

"Why should Americans trust you when you accuse the information they've received as being fake, when you provide information that's not accurate?" he asked.


Trump replied that it was information he "was given" and had "seen around", before saying that it was still a "very substantial victory" - a claim much more difficult to disprove.

President Trump, like Candidate Trump, has seemed invulnerable to fact-checkers, perhaps in part because he's moved on to a hundred different topics before the media watchdogs can catch up.

Thursday, for at least a brief moment, was different.

"I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done."

The event on Thursday was billed as a press conference, but for the first half-hour it seemed more like an unpolished mid-day State of Union address. It was a chance for the president to talk over the gathered heads of the journalists in remarks broadcast on three of the four major US commercial networks and all the cable news outlets.

He spoke about the jobs he's brought back to the US - anecdotal and small-bore though they may be. He spoke of "productive talks" he's had with world leaders and the request he's made for his military to come up with a plan to defeat the so-called Islamic state.

He cited executive actions withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and cutting back on government regulations. He boasted of task forces created, councils formed and agency co-ordination instructed.

And he touted his immigration efforts - a key piece of which is currently suspended pending court review.

"This last month has represented an unprecedented degree of action on behalf of the great citizens of our country," Mr Trump asserted again. "And we have not even started the big work yet."

That last part is definitely true. While the Trump administration has seemed to be in a flurry of activity, legislatively there has been relatively little accomplished. Within the first four weeks of his presidency, Mr Obama had signed into law a measure increasing protection for women's wages in the workplace and a massive economic stimulus bill that included more than $800bn in new federal spending.

After four weeks, Mr Trump still has 98% of his presidency ahead of him. The start has been rocky, and less accomplished than he says, but the jury is still out.

"This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine, despite the fact that I can't get my cabinet approved."

One of the criticisms that seems to irk Mr Trump the most is that his presidency has been beset by "chaos" and mismanagement.

Mr Trump lays part of the blame at the feet of Democrats, whom he says have been slow to approve his top-level cabinet appointments.

While part of this assuredly true, as Democrats slow-walked several of his nominees, others have been tardy because there were delays in submitting vetting paperwork or in the announcement of the nominations.

Perhaps of greater cause for concern is the lack of lower-level appointments announced. In key departments like state and treasury, the under-secretary slots remain largely unfilled.

Then there's the ongoing palace intrigue within the White House, which Mr Trump glossed over. He said that his chief of staff, Reince Priebus, is "working so hard just putting out fires" - but some of those fires are coming from within his own administration.

In one Washington Post story, an unnamed White House official said Priebus had to "become more competent". There's talk of rival factions within the Trump team, with pragmatists like Priebus squared off against longtime Trump true-believers like Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller.

When asked by the BBC's Jon Sopel about one of the most-cited example of White House chaos - the confusion surrounding the administration's rollout of the Mr Trump's immigration order - the president was defiant.

"We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban," he said. "But we had a bad court."

The court decisions Mr Trump was apparently referencing - either by the Seattle judge who suspended implementation of the ban or the appellate court that upheld the injunction - came well after the first few unruly days of implementation, however, when US immigration officials seemed uncertain of how to apply the broadly worded order.

Perhaps "chaos" is too strong a word, but "smooth" is downplaying the confusion, particularly for permanent US residents from Iran, Iraq and other targeted nations who were left wondering whether they could safely enter the US.

"I think Melania is going to be outstanding."

After berating a CNN reporter, calling Jon Sopel and BBC News "another beauty" and repeatedly telling a Jewish reporter asking about anti-Semitism to be quiet, Mr Trump finally found a question he liked - from an independent reporter named Kyle Mazza.

"Can you tell us all the things Melania does for the country?" he asked, referring to the president's wife.

"That is what I call a nice question," Mr Trump responded, before extolling the virtues of the first lady.

"I've known her for a long time," he said. "She was a very successful person. She was a very successful model. She did really well."

Mr Trump had been criticised for only calling on friendly reporters over the course of the last three press availabilities - all joint appearances with foreign leaders where a total of six questions from US journalists were permitted. Mr Trump chose conservative news outlets like Townhall, the Daily Caller and Newsmax over traditional mainstream media reporters.

On Thursday, however, Mr Trump took the media's best shot - although he carped about how he'd be portrayed as "ranting and raving" in the subsequent coverage.
He may not have ranted and raved, but it was a most unusual press conference nonetheless.
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This is such a nightmare

4 years of this

 
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he probably can't win again which is why he is probably going to undertake a massive voter suppression operation

 
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nearly every problem with the Federal government and one party rule today is the fault of Republican Gerrymandering of the States. 6 years into the last gerrymander and the democratic leadership in DC and the States has done nothing to address it.

 
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probably?

LOL

In Texas this week the State announced it would pursue prosecutions of people who voted "illegally" without photo ID. these are people that were registered voters but showed up last November without their ID and poll workers let them vote anyway. These are legally registered voters!


Trump doesn't really need to do much. The GOP does all that work at the State Level. It's coordinated and planned by several right wing think tanks (funded by the Koch's, DeVoses, etc.) that write laws and publish action plans that are distributed to Republicans in the States and Washington. If you look at voter ID laws across GOP controlled states you can see that they're nearly identical in their wording, because they're not written by state Legislators, they're given to the State parties to rubber stamp. f Trump isn't part of any of it. Any republican president just steps into the roll and there's machinery to do the work of suppression and electoral manipulation and all he has to do is play along with it.

Of course, with Sessions in place now the States will have the Federal Government behind them when they step on people's rights.

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probably?

LOL

In Texas this week the State announced it would pursue prosecutions of people who voted "illegally" without photo ID. these are people that were registered voters but showed up last November without their ID and poll workers let them vote anyway. These are legally registered voters!


Trump doesn't really need to do much. The GOP does all that work at the State Level. It's coordinated and planned by several right wing think tanks (funded by the Koch's, DeVoses, etc.) that write laws and publish action plans that are distributed to Republicans in the States and Washington. If you look at voter ID laws across GOP controlled states you can see that they're nearly identical in their wording, because they're not written by state Legislators, they're given to the State parties to rubber stamp. f Trump isn't part of any of it. Any republican president just steps into the roll and there's machinery to do the work of suppression and electoral manipulation and all he has to do is play along with it.

Of course, with Sessions in place now the States will have the Federal Government behind them when they step on people's rights.
Trump is building an alternate reality where the GOP is open to restrict voting rights in a way that hasn't been seen in this country in seven or eight decades. You're right that it will be mostly done at the state level, but being in power is not enough to get away with whatever you want. People have to see you and your actions as legitimate, and that's what the Trump crew is trying to do.

I've said it before, but Trump is not crazy, he knows he is a liar. And a lot of his supporters know he is a liar too, they simply don't care. If people view their situation as real, it is real in its consequences. It's a tactic of vast sociological manipulation to build the white supremacist world they think ought to be. When Trump says there was massive voter fraud, he isn't saying I believe there was massive voter fraud, he's saying I am coming to take away voting rights.

 
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I think that even if Clinton were president right now the Democrats would be doing almost NOTHING to stop GOP voter suppression. FTR Obama did virtually NOTHING to stop this crap over the past 8 years. The leadership of the Democratic party in most States and in DC is doing almost nothing.

There are a few states where Activists have started to fight back, like North Carolina. But that's been done by people like Reverend Doctor William Barber II, not the Democratic party leadership. There's been legal fights against it in Wisconsin, again without leadership from the democratic party. The propositions that took away districting from the legislature in California and Arizona were run independently from the States democratic parties.

If Democrats don't put this at the top of their to do list they're going to be out of power forever. Not because they don't have the support of the majority of voters. They do. But because the elections, national and local, are rigged by Republicans.

Since november i've not heard a single Democrat publicly talk about gerrymandering. If they don't do it soon they'll fail to win a congressional majority in 2018 and 2020 and all we'll hear again after those elections is that they're out of touch.

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I think that even if Clinton were president right now the Democrats would be doing almost NOTHING to stop GOP voter suppression. FTR Obama did virtually NOTHING to stop this crap over the past 8 years. The leadership of the Democratic party in most States and in DC is doing almost nothing.

There are a few states where Activists have started to fight back, like North Carolina. But that's been done by people like Reverend Doctor William Barber II, not the Democratic party leadership. There's been legal fights against it in Wisconsin, again without leadership from the democratic party. The propositions that took away districting from the legislature in California and Arizona were run independently from the States democratic parties.

If Democrats don't put this at the top of their to do list they're going to be out of power forever. Not because they don't have the support of the majority of voters. They do. But because the elections, national and local, are rigged by Republicans.

Since november i've not heard a single Democrat publicly talk about gerrymandering. If they don't do it soon they'll fail to win a congressional majority in 2018 and 2020 and all we'll hear again after those elections is that they're out of touch.
I agree with all of this. While liberals grew complacent under Obama's comforting watch, the GOP went into overdrive to take local government by force. It makes sense, because the GOP was teetering towards destruction in 2008-2010, so ramping up gerrymandering and voter restrictions was a struggle for survival. The Democrats did not take them seriously and were distracted by a lot of bullshit, like turning on themselves like fucking morons and allowing the GOP to make the ACA into the defining domestic issue of the Obama presidency. Now a party which was on death's door 8 years ago has strong-armed its way back into control by channeling power unduly into the communities of their culturally homogeneous and resentful base. By the raw numbers of people, America is a decidedly liberal country, and it's only going to keep moving to the left as young people come of voting age and Hispanic communities continue to grow. But the GOP has essentially built an affirmative action machine for itself.

I still believe you can't fight demographic destiny, and the white supremacy angle will not survive forever. Trump's America is still shrinking, and Obama's America is still growing. But right now the Democrats are in the worst position they have been in since the Civil War... which is insane, because as you said, a decisive majority of Americans are liberal and support Democratic positions over Republican ones. The Dems are in for a very bad time over the next few years. The real danger isn't 2018 though, it's the 2020 census. Unfortunately at this point the Dems can't do much to fight gerrymandering I'm afraid. It will be up to the Supreme Court to hear a case on ending legislative control of redistricting. This is possible, as they heard a case recently which expanded the right of states to cut the legislatures out of redistricting, and some have guessed this might be a portent of the Court's willingness to examine the constitutionality of the entire practice. But if in 2020 nothing has been done to undo the gerrymandering, the Dems are going to be on the defensive majorly for the next decade.

 
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i don't believe that. it's possible that we could have one party rule for the next generation or two, even if the GOP only represents a third of the voting population in this country.

If they hold all the States they now hold in 2020 they'll control the next gerrymander. The Senate is constitutionally rigged, and that's not going to change. The next thing they'll rig is the Electoral college. The easiest way would be to pick key states that might swing Democratic in the presidential election and change the allocation of electors to congressional districts, which are already gerrymandered. Something like that in the 2012 election would have changed michigan from an Obama win to obama getting 5 electors and Romney getting 9. Same thing would have happened in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. If they do that and keep those states gerrymandered no demographics will change it.

 
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i don't believe that. it's possible that we could have one party rule for the next generation or two, even if the GOP only represents a third of the voting population in this country.

If they hold all the States they now hold in 2020 they'll control the next gerrymander. The Senate is constitutionally rigged, and that's not going to change. The next thing they'll rig is the Electoral college. The easiest way would be to pick key states that might swing Democratic in the presidential election and change the allocation of electors to congressional districts, which are already gerrymandered. Something like that in the 2012 election would have changed michigan from an Obama win to obama getting 5 electors and Romney getting 9. Same thing would have happened in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. If they do that and keep those states gerrymandered no demographics will change it.
yeah, I guess that's the apocalypse scenario and it could happen. that's the kind of shit that foments civil unrest

 
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