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Old 07-07-2018, 03:31 PM   #1
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Default Which solos on Mellon Collie are Ihas?

I know Zero and Love are his, and also that the end "solo" on Muzzle is him. Anything else?

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 03:32 PM   #2
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Zero is the obvious one, but I was surprised to learn about Love. It's probably my favorite solo on MCIS.

"Iha's demonized "cyber solo" in "Love" began life, in Iha's typically self-deprecating words, as "a really bad blues solo." The song begins with a steady flanged eighth-note chunk figure over a mechanized beat. The sound of Iha's solo, tweaked through an Eventide H3000 harmonizer in the final mix, took hours to cement. "I had the general idea for it," recalls Iha, "and since we wanted something cyber-like, I tried a Roland guitar synthesizer."

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:16 PM   #3
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The ones with the swedish psychology degree

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:24 PM   #4
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Not sure why they have Billy credited for the solo but it really is likely the worst solo in any SP song regardless of which one of them wrote it. Definitely sounds like James on the recording though.


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“Zero”
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995)
GUITARIST: Billy Corgan

Old Chinese saying: “Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day. Give a man a Whammy pedal and he’ll annoy you for a lifetime.” Just because you call yourself a zero doesn’t mean you have to play like one.

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:43 PM   #5
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Last month or whenever they did the live stream with Guitar Center I was sort of reminded once again that James Iha just isn't one of those musicians who are passionate about their instrument, amps or effects hardly at all.

"uhhhh..I just play les paul customs" was basically the only thing he said about his input on stage right now (and this is while they're being interviewed for an audience who actually wants to hear about things like this) and he says practically nothing. He's been on the cover of 3 Guitar World magazines now with Billy, never seen anything interesting from James in them especially in relation to the type things Billy would offer up.

Not trying to rip on James or anything, I definitely see how he compliments Billy's playing in a unique way that we all can agree is satisfying to the ears, but he's also just not even close to as good of a guitar player Billy is either and I don't think he really ever wanted to be. In fact, it's my own personal opinion that James is only AS good a player as he currently is because he played with someone like Billy for so many years. They started out together in the bands infancy so I'm sure he had at least 1 or 500 or lessons on things.

Aside from Zero I really have no idea what other credits he has for solos.. Possibly some of the leads in Ruby? That one is layered up pretty good. I've often wondered if he wrote these badass leads from the heavy version of Disarm?

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Old 07-07-2018, 04:47 PM   #6
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:08 PM   #7
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surely he plays one of the guitars in Here Is No Why?

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 05:38 PM   #8
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How's unemployment Booo0o0ooooo0ooooooiiiiii

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 06:23 PM   #9
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Last month or whenever they did the live stream with Guitar Center I was sort of reminded once again that James Iha just isn't one of those musicians who are passionate about their instrument, amps or effects hardly at all.

"uhhhh..I just play les paul customs" was basically the only thing he said about his input on stage right now (and this is while they're being interviewed for an audience who actually wants to hear about things like this) and he says practically nothing. He's been on the cover of 3 Guitar World magazines now with Billy, never seen anything interesting from James in them especially in relation to the type things Billy would offer up.

Not trying to rip on James or anything, I definitely see how he compliments Billy's playing in a unique way that we all can agree is satisfying to the ears, but he's also just not even close to as good of a guitar player Billy is either and I don't think he really ever wanted to be. In fact, it's my own personal opinion that James is only AS good a player as he currently is because he played with someone like Billy for so many years. They started out together in the bands infancy so I'm sure he had at least 1 or 500 or lessons on things.

Aside from Zero I really have no idea what other credits he has for solos.. Possibly some of the leads in Ruby? That one is layered up pretty good. I've often wondered if he wrote these badass leads from the heavy version of Disarm?

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https://youtu.be/Xl__KvCOcdI?t=2m20s

That is the best version of Disarm they ever did. James' solo, Jimmy's drumming, Billy's singing. It's awesome.

 
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How's unemployment Booo0o0ooooo0ooooooiiiiii
Lol i have no idea, do you?

Thanks for letting me know you're puzzlenozzle though, that puts things in perspective for sure

For anyone unfamiliar to the story: This dude first posted that he was a successful psychologist/ psychiatrist (he didn't seem to be sure which) and that people here were lost/'stuck inside themselves'. When people called bullshit he felt compelled to post his diploma - which someone found out was a photoshop of the first thing they found on Google. One of my favourite moments on Netphoria for sure. Anyone got the thread url?

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:16 PM   #11
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Last month or whenever they did the live stream with Guitar Center I was sort of reminded once again that James Iha just isn't one of those musicians who are passionate about their instrument, amps or effects hardly at all.
I honestly don't understand how people aren't passionate about their instrument and how it sounds if they're a player; especially if they're in a giant band and are rich enough to make any sound they want

But then again it wouldn't be James otherwise

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I've often wondered if he wrote these badass leads from the heavy version of Disarm?
I figure so, same with the pretty outro leads in the 94 version

 
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That is the best version of Disarm they ever did. James' solo, Jimmy's drumming, Billy's singing. It's awesome.
i like this one better. same version but with the added 94 intensity


 
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Lol i have no idea, do you?
hahaha you're insane. I need to find your "I quit my horrible job and I feel horrible now, please pity me" post tho. I'll get back to you!

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:27 PM   #14
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Is it James playing on the end of Quiet? The part where Billy's singing "Behind the grace of falling snow..."

3:10 onwards, not cued up.


 
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hahaha you're insane. I need to find your "I quit my horrible job and I feel horrible now, please pity me" post tho. I'll get back to you!
I always enjoyed how you seemed to be sure that quitting your job automatically means being unemployed, i'm sure you learned to jump to conclusions asap when you got your psych-something degree, but i can keep playing along if you want?

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:45 PM   #16
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Cause it's funny as shit when someone is unemployed, everyone knows that!

 
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:46 PM   #17
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Last month or whenever they did the live stream with Guitar Center I was sort of reminded once again that James Iha just isn't one of those musicians who are passionate about their instrument, amps or effects hardly at all.

"uhhhh..I just play les paul customs" was basically the only thing he said about his input on stage right now (and this is while they're being interviewed for an audience who actually wants to hear about things like this) and he says practically nothing. He's been on the cover of 3 Guitar World magazines now with Billy, never seen anything interesting from James in them especially in relation to the type things Billy would offer up.

Not trying to rip on James or anything, I definitely see how he compliments Billy's playing in a unique way that we all can agree is satisfying to the ears, but he's also just not even close to as good of a guitar player Billy is either and I don't think he really ever wanted to be. In fact, it's my own personal opinion that James is only AS good a player as he currently is because he played with someone like Billy for so many years. They started out together in the bands infancy so I'm sure he had at least 1 or 500 or lessons on things.

Aside from Zero I really have no idea what other credits he has for solos.. Possibly some of the leads in Ruby? That one is layered up pretty good. I've often wondered if he wrote these badass leads from the heavy version of Disarm?

cued up-

https://youtu.be/Xl__KvCOcdI?t=2m20s

Its kind of understood among professional musicians that the more you think or yall about gear the more you suck.

 
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Lol i have no idea, do you?

Thanks for letting me know you're puzzlenozzle though, that puts things in perspective for sure

For anyone unfamiliar to the story: This dude first posted that he was a successful psychologist/ psychiatrist (he didn't seem to be sure which) and that people here were lost/'stuck inside themselves'. When people called bullshit he felt compelled to post his diploma - which someone found out was a photoshop of the first thing they found on Google. One of my favourite moments on Netphoria for sure. Anyone got the thread url?
dude didn't even know a psychiatrist is a medical doctor.

 
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hahaha you're insane. I need to find your "I quit my horrible job and I feel horrible now, please pity me" post tho. I'll get back to you!
people are allowed to have feelings, you fake asshole

 
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this is the original one that he made a fake diploma out of. unfortunately that seems to be down


 
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Its kind of understood among professional musicians that the more you think or yall about gear the more you suck.
I suppose that's why Nirvana fans argue Kurt being a guitar god.

What you say could be true to some degree but would you say that about Danny Carey or Mike Portnay? There are plenty of musicians who are tone freaks and don't suck at all. Billy truly doesn't get the credit for the guitar player he was/is.

 
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i thought the whole Nirvana aesthetic was that he was sloppy, and that didn’t matter with regards to making great music

 
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Yeah, that "real musicians don't care about gear" thing is pure alt-rock posturing.

All those 90s guitarists used to say that gear and lessons etc weren't important despite spending their teens in the 80s being obsessed with gear like everyone else. Kurt created the Jagstang ffs.

 
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Ah yes, thanks.

I'm 28 years old. I live with my girlfriend in Stockholm, Sweden. I have a masters degree in 'Modern Psychology', but I'm currently studying the Swedish law part-time. On average I make approximately 51000 each year. I play in two bands, one is a fusion of pop and jazz, and the other one is a straight out alt rock project. I've listened to the Pumpkins since I was 13, and never stopped listening. I am very open minded about things, but cannot understand all the cynicism on these threads. Are people here really that locked up in themselves? Are they that lonely, that miserable?

 
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Someone has a case of the Montes.

 
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I'm pretty sure James came up with the little outro lead part for Bullet. Can't remember where I read it, but it's definitely his kind of style of playing.

 
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I never knew James did the lead part for Love. That's one of my favorite moments of the record!

 
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Ah yes, thanks.

I'm 28 years old. I live with my girlfriend in Stockholm, Sweden. I have a masters degree in 'Modern Psychology', but I'm currently studying the Swedish law part-time. On average I make approximately 51000 each year. I play in two bands, one is a fusion of pop and jazz, and the other one is a straight out alt rock project. I've listened to the Pumpkins since I was 13, and never stopped listening. I am very open minded about things, but cannot understand all the cynicism on these threads. Are people here really that locked up in themselves? Are they that lonely, that miserable?
Yes.

 
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Ah yes, thanks.

I'm 28 years old. I live with my girlfriend in Stockholm, Sweden. I have a masters degree in 'Modern Psychology', but I'm currently studying the Swedish law part-time. On average I make approximately 51000 each year. I play in two bands, one is a fusion of pop and jazz, and the other one is a straight out alt rock project. I've listened to the Pumpkins since I was 13, and never stopped listening. I am very open minded about things, but cannot understand all the cynicism on these threads. Are people here really that locked up in themselves? Are they that lonely, that miserable?
when did you move to sweden? poor bram, you left him all alone in liechtenburg!

 
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