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Old 07-02-2018, 10:06 PM   #1
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Default Jimmy misses the mark on Solara.

Initially I thought that the song sucked but that Jimmy rocked it. But the more i listen, the more I think Chamberlin detracts from the song.

It's supposed to be a grungy sludge type of song but Jimmy sounds like he's jumping out of his sneakers. Jimmy always shined the brightest when his skill was showcased with tasteful nuanced parts. Of course there's always awesome times to go balls to the wall, but there needs to be a complimentary balance. Not every song calls for a Geek USA showcase and certainly not Solara.

As a huge Jimmy fan it's rare that he misses the mark, but I think he did pretty brutally on this track. Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come with the rest of the new music.

 
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Old 07-02-2018, 10:11 PM   #2
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pretty sure corgan told him to go apeshit so the kids know he's behind the kit. cuz reunion.

 
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Old 07-02-2018, 10:12 PM   #3
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Jimmy sounds best with lots of room mics. The production on Solara sounds like drum samples.

 
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Old 07-02-2018, 10:16 PM   #4
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Absolutely, the mixing of the drums certainly doesn't do him any favors on this track.

His parts sounded a helluva lot better live. But even so, I don't really think he's on the mark regarding the vibe of the song.

 
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Old 07-02-2018, 10:18 PM   #5
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pretty sure corgan told him to go apeshit so the kids know he's behind the kit. cuz reunion.
haha I didn't really think of that, but that very likely could've played a role. After all, it's the first new music with Jimmy, it probably wouldn't have been good marketing if he had a subdued part.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:05 AM   #6
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There's not a whole lot of anything else going on within the song so I'm glad Jimmy "over plays" on it and pushes it and makes it a bit more interesting. I think the chorus needs those busy drums, there's no other counter-pointing parts to the vocal/guitar so makes sense to me. He's not really getting in the way either.

But yeah drum production could've sounded better/livelier. Rubin's dry drum sound doesn't serve him as well... regardless, still sounds like my boy jim jim <3

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:22 AM   #7
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I’ve said it here before but when I showed my friend Solara and he heard that fill (that dull as fuck snare fill) after the first chorus, he said “man they really need to get Jimmy back that sucked”

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:43 AM   #8
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He's trying too hard.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 03:00 AM   #9
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Jimmy sounds best with lots of room mics. The production on Solara sounds like drum samples.
This is it, yeah. It’s just a weird frequency range for his drums to exist in. The playing is fine, I think the song is fine, it works... but it feels like his typically deep penetrating drums kinda glide over the top of the track and are all treble. It’d Be nice to have a hifi legit version of the track to base my opinion on but nooooooo

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:41 AM   #10
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His playing on it sucks completely but that's fine. This really aint the sort of music that Jimmy enjoys listening to or playing + he's gotta get back into the pumpkins mindset and rediscover his pumpkins style. He's been pushing his jazz stuff for a while and becoming some polyrhythmic super beast and then Billy shows him this track... err Billy what the fuck am I supposed to do over this ? it was either kick snare kick kick snare or have some fun wanking over the thing

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:17 AM   #11
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His playing on it sucks completely but that's fine. This really aint the sort of music that Jimmy enjoys listening to or playing + he's gotta get back into the pumpkins mindset and rediscover his pumpkins style. He's been pushing his jazz stuff for a while and becoming some polyrhythmic super beast and then Billy shows him this track... err Billy what the fuck am I supposed to do over this ? it was either kick snare kick kick snare or have some fun wanking over the thing

I remember when Jimmy talked about the challenge to get into that mindset for the Zeitgeist stuff...he also mentioned that he had to re-learn the way he played the older songs for the tour.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:30 AM   #12
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Absolutely, the mixing of the drums certainly doesn't do him any favors on this track.

His parts sounded a helluva lot better live. But even so, I don't really think he's on the mark regarding the vibe of the song.
I think I've mentioned it before, but I think they should have put a half-time chorus at the end. That'd sound pretty badass.


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This is it, yeah. It’s just a weird frequency range for his drums to exist in. The playing is fine, I think the song is fine, it works... but it feels like his typically deep penetrating drums kinda glide over the top of the track and are all treble. It’d Be nice to have a hifi legit version of the track to base my opinion on but nooooooo
It makes me wonder if they were simply mixing with iphones in mind.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:46 AM   #13
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As a huge Jimmy fan it's rare that he misses the mark
nicely worded, shitbag.

who is the mark, by the way? do you mean mark tulin?

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 08:02 AM   #14
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Just proof that Jimmy can't save a bad song/a bad song does Jimmy no favors.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:56 AM   #15
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Jimmy: How was that take? Seems like it could be more focused.

Rick Rubin: S'finezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:31 AM   #16
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Yet another fantastically dumb thread with more of your shitty observations. Keep it up.

Jimmy kills it here, yet again. Listen to the live version and it makes more sense. It’s the songwriting that’s shit. No argument.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:04 AM   #17
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Honestly they should have just gone with whoever produced The Parable. His drums are SENSUAL in that
Obv the Pumpkins are a different species to Complex, but at worst it would mean actual, subtle touches to the music and probably also Corganvox that weren't shoved artlessly to the front

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:57 AM   #18
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nicely worded, shitbag.

who is the mark, by the way? do you mean mark tulin?
It was a typo, he meant Jimmy missed The Marked

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:10 PM   #19
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I’ve said it here before but when I showed my friend Solara and he heard that fill (that dull as fuck snare fill) after the first chorus, he said “man they really need to get Jimmy back that sucked”
the triplet flam thing? that's the best fill in the song

the bad fills are the long rolls down the drums during the choruses that he repeated every time

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:20 PM   #20
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As a huge Jimmy fan it's rare that he misses the mark
so which jimmy fan misses the mark? it is not clear from your post.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:36 PM   #21
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leave fuzzy alone!

his one of the good guys!

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 03:13 PM   #22
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I've changed my mind, I think Jimmy does a pretty good job on a weak track.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 03:49 PM   #23
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thank you for you input. it is greatly appreciated.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 05:50 PM   #24
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I would hope so, cunt.

 
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:20 PM   #25
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I'm sorry, we were unable to determine the correct answer.

 
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I would hope so, cunt.

 
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Old 07-04-2018, 01:54 AM   #27
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shit just got real

 
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:09 PM   #28
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Jimmy is too old to be in a band amirite?

 
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:04 AM   #29
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The Smashing Pumpkins are not a band, they are Corgan's brand.

 
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Old 07-06-2018, 01:42 PM   #30
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I like Jimmy's part individually, and it certainly has more "kick" in the live performances we've seen. That being said, I actually understand now why Billy went with Tommy Lee for Monuments to an Elegy (from which this song originated). At the time, I wrote it off entirely to Billy wanting the press that would come with the oddity of Tommy Lee playing on a Smashing Pumpkins album, but having heard Jimmy play on a Monuments-era song, I can see what Billy wanted with Tommy. His more simplistic playing carried the album, but gave the songs "breathing room." Also, Howard's production was much better than Rick Rubin's.

 
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