Inkless Original Mix appreciation thread

redbreegull · 09-16-2018, 05:43 PM

never even seen this mentioned 'til Shadaloo brought it to my attention the other day. apparently this was the b-side to The Celestials. It's a very raw, hot mix of Inkless which blows the album version out of the water (I'm thinking the master made the whole album sound a bit more muffled and less hot than this).

Unfortunately the rawer mix still can't fix how awkward and wrong Mike Byrne's drumming is especially during the bridge/solo part, but this takes a mediocre to good song and makes it sound like a fuckin awesome one. another victim of billy's production

Funbags · 09-16-2018, 10:06 PM

It's in mono?

This song would be great with Jimmy tbh

redbreegull · 09-16-2018, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funbags

It's in mono?

This song would be great with Jimmy tbh

I know. That's exactly what I said... it would be interesting to revisit a track like this with the correct drummer there. Mike's work in this song is just embarrassingly out of place

MyKeyZ · 09-16-2018, 10:19 PM

Wow, this is surprisingly good. Way better than the album version. If only Billy could stop ruining songs when it comes to their album release. If only Jimmy drummed on this.

Billy needs to go back and just record these songs with JC and make sure the production is raw. Then he'll have something.

MyKeyZ · 09-16-2018, 10:21 PM

Does anyone have a lossless rip of this?

redbreegull · 09-16-2018, 10:21 PM

I have no idea if it is supposed to be in mono or if the uploader did something wrong. I don't know where else to listen to this track since spotify doesn't have the single

Zer0 Hour · 09-16-2018, 10:49 PM

This is really great. I’ve always loved this song; it’s probably my favorite off of Oceania and this raw track makes it even better. You can hear all the guitar licks a lot better. Would be amazing if they were to re-record it with Jimmy.

Shadaloo · 09-16-2018, 11:31 PM

You are most welcome. Gotta admit, I've been revisiting it every now and then too.

BurtSampson · 09-16-2018, 11:49 PM

Mike Byrne did not deserve to be anywhere near professional recording equipment. Fucking awful drummer.

Shadaloo · 09-16-2018, 11:51 PM

Maybe in a few months once I get a proper setup I'll see about getting a lossless rip done if it hasn't been by then. Single's cheap as hell.

Funbags · 09-17-2018, 12:03 AM

If Billy would spend an afternoon ripping through some Oceania tracks with Jimmy in the studio, I'd buy it.

ninsp · 09-17-2018, 12:15 AM

Corgan being buried in the mix sounds great

VoxUpDoc · 09-17-2018, 02:56 AM

This is upsetting.

Vocals sound a million times better buried beneath the guitar.

It also sounds way louder because of it, negating any need for “loud-at-any-volume” clipping.

But Bill says it’s the modern way, and he’a had SUCH fucking success selling records by floating his vocals over the last 15 years. So he should know.
Nothing to do with his own ego, no sir.

amoergosum · 09-17-2018, 03:31 AM

Strong Zwan vibes.

The drums sound awful though...it's so two-dimensional all the time.

Billy should let Jimmy re-record all drum tracks.

https://i.imgur.com/Qpdb5Je.png

RenewRevive · 09-17-2018, 06:26 AM

Good find. Therein lies a major problem with Billy. He can listen to this and think it needs more polish and the vocals brought out in the mix

It's like with Machina 2. Corgan is correct obviously in saying that it was released in an unfinished state. But what will he regard as finished? He'll ruin the songs if he drenches them in production. I mean, Speed Kills on M2 is a good song but the only version to get an official release (either as a bonus track on the Japanese version of Machina, or possibly a b-side to the SIYL single, forget which) is overdone IMO.

Pizza Club · 09-17-2018, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

Does anyone have a lossless rip of this?

Yes, I ripped this when it came out originally. I have to look for it.

ninsp · 09-17-2018, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

This is upsetting.

Vocals sound a million times better buried beneath the guitar.

It also sounds way louder because of it, negating any need for “loud-at-any-volume” clipping.

But Bill says it’s the modern way, and he’a had SUCH fucking success selling records by floating his vocals over the last 15 years. So he should know.
Nothing to do with his own ego, no sir.

Yeah it pretty much just proves to me that the talent is still there

Current Pumpkins issues are totally self inflicted because of his ego and obsession with being relevant again

NovaFritz · 09-17-2018, 09:40 AM

I don't think Byrne's drums sound that bad. Though certainly Chamberlin would sound better.

Maybe they should re-record this with the "new" lineup. Pass it as a new track. No one would notice, cuz only 3 or 4 people actually bought Oceania (according to Bruce Corgan).

Mals Marola · 09-17-2018, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RenewRevive

It's like with Machina 2. Corgan is correct obviously in saying that it was released in an unfinished state. But what will he regard as finished? He'll ruin the songs if he drenches them in production. I mean, Speed Kills on M2 is a good song but the only version to get an official release (either as a bonus track on the Japanese version of Machina, or possibly a b-side to the SIYL single, forget which) is overdone IMO.

horrible example. Speed Kills is an era highlight, specifically the version from the SIYL single

Blue Skies Bring Tears, however, was truly ambushed in the studio. That Arising version trumps all

brothahi4L · 09-17-2018, 12:07 PM

Song is crap. - WE can how Jimmy lifted up Silvery with his great fills.

Inkless is just bad - boring

brothahi4L · 09-17-2018, 12:09 PM

re-record a recorded album? oceania was a disaster - don´t blame byrne u idiots.
Billy writes the songs.

SPLATTER · 09-17-2018, 12:13 PM

that song is unlistenable

SomaPhreak · 09-17-2018, 02:03 PM

This "hot" version is a lot better than the Oceania version. The "wall of guitar" sound is satisfying, and the vocals benefit from being buried.

Zer0 Hour · 09-17-2018, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

Song is crap. - WE can how Jimmy lifted up Silvery with his great fills.

Inkless is just bad - boring

I'd take either version of Inkless over Silvery Sucktimes any day.

VoxUpDoc · 09-17-2018, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

I'd take either version of Inkless over Silvery Sucktimes any day.

Careful guys, there’s an edgy Oceania fan over here.

MyKeyZ · 09-17-2018, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

I'd take either version of Inkless over Silvery Sucktimes any day.

Honestly, I can believe I'm saying this, but I agree. And I ain't an Oceania fan by any means.

Mals Marola · 09-17-2018, 04:33 PM

That weird little MBV-ish compressed guitar around the 2-minute mark is sweet as hell, did that even make it to the album version? Cos I don't remember it at all, if so, but ya this is a bit more flattering to the song than the album mix in general I suppose, which I guess even boll-boll couldn't deny considering it got an official release

RAWK · 09-17-2018, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

re-record a recorded album? oceania was a disaster - don´t blame byrne u idiots.
Billy writes the songs.

Truth. People said this about Solara. That the mix was bad and that's all that was wrong with it. No, the mix doesn't make a poorly written song suddenly good.

FoolofaTook · 09-17-2018, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

Careful guys, there’s an edgy Oceania fan over here.

http://i.imgur.com/q8CsvsH.jpg

houseofglass11 · 09-17-2018, 06:57 PM

Best song on Oceania. Just sounds like a mono mix. I thought Byrnes drums were ok on it.

09-16-2018, 05:43 PM	#1
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	Inkless Original Mix appreciation thread never even seen this mentioned 'til Shadaloo brought it to my attention the other day. apparently this was the b-side to The Celestials. It's a very raw, hot mix of Inkless which blows the album version out of the water (I'm thinking the master made the whole album sound a bit more muffled and less hot than this). Unfortunately the rawer mix still can't fix how awkward and wrong Mike Byrne's drumming is especially during the bridge/solo part, but this takes a mediocre to good song and makes it sound like a fuckin awesome one. another victim of billy's production

09-17-2018, 02:03 PM	#23
SomaPhreak Ownz Posts: 547	Burn down the sun This "hot" version is a lot better than the Oceania version. The "wall of guitar" sound is satisfying, and the vocals benefit from being buried.

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09-16-2018, 10:06 PM	#2
Funbags Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,426	It's in mono? This song would be great with Jimmy tbh

09-16-2018, 10:19 PM	#4
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,690	Wow, this is surprisingly good. Way better than the album version. If only Billy could stop ruining songs when it comes to their album release. If only Jimmy drummed on this. Billy needs to go back and just record these songs with JC and make sure the production is raw. Then he'll have something.

09-16-2018, 10:21 PM	#5
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,690	Does anyone have a lossless rip of this?

09-16-2018, 10:49 PM	#7
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	This is really great. I’ve always loved this song; it’s probably my favorite off of Oceania and this raw track makes it even better. You can hear all the guitar licks a lot better. Would be amazing if they were to re-record it with Jimmy.

09-16-2018, 11:31 PM	#8
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	You are most welcome. Gotta admit, I've been revisiting it every now and then too.

09-16-2018, 11:49 PM	#9
BurtSampson Apocalyptic Poster Location: Billy's Buttcrack Posts: 1,687	Mike Byrne did not deserve to be anywhere near professional recording equipment. Fucking awful drummer.

09-16-2018, 11:51 PM	#10
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	Maybe in a few months once I get a proper setup I'll see about getting a lossless rip done if it hasn't been by then. Single's cheap as hell.

09-17-2018, 12:03 AM	#11
Funbags Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,426	If Billy would spend an afternoon ripping through some Oceania tracks with Jimmy in the studio, I'd buy it.

09-17-2018, 12:15 AM	#12
ninsp Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,720	Corgan being buried in the mix sounds great

09-17-2018, 02:56 AM	#13
VoxUpDoc Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,881	This is upsetting. Vocals sound a million times better buried beneath the guitar. It also sounds way louder because of it, negating any need for “loud-at-any-volume” clipping. But Bill says it’s the modern way, and he’a had SUCH fucking success selling records by floating his vocals over the last 15 years. So he should know. Nothing to do with his own ego, no sir.

09-17-2018, 03:31 AM	#14
amoergosum Minion of Satan Posts: 6,014	Strong Zwan vibes. The drums sound awful though...it's so two-dimensional all the time. Billy should let Jimmy re-record all drum tracks. https://i.imgur.com/Qpdb5Je.png

09-17-2018, 06:26 AM	#15
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	Good find. Therein lies a major problem with Billy. He can listen to this and think it needs more polish and the vocals brought out in the mix It's like with Machina 2. Corgan is correct obviously in saying that it was released in an unfinished state. But what will he regard as finished? He'll ruin the songs if he drenches them in production. I mean, Speed Kills on M2 is a good song but the only version to get an official release (either as a bonus track on the Japanese version of Machina, or possibly a b-side to the SIYL single, forget which) is overdone IMO.

09-17-2018, 09:40 AM	#18
NovaFritz Apocalyptic Poster Location: luna Posts: 2,721	I don't think Byrne's drums sound that bad. Though certainly Chamberlin would sound better. Maybe they should re-record this with the "new" lineup. Pass it as a new track. No one would notice, cuz only 3 or 4 people actually bought Oceania (according to Bruce Corgan).

09-17-2018, 12:07 PM	#20
brothahi4L Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,714	Song is crap. - WE can how Jimmy lifted up Silvery with his great fills. Inkless is just bad - boring

09-17-2018, 12:09 PM	#21
brothahi4L Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,714	re-record a recorded album? oceania was a disaster - don´t blame byrne u idiots. Billy writes the songs.

09-17-2018, 12:13 PM	#22
SPLATTER Demi-God Location: New York Posts: 424	that song is unlistenable

09-17-2018, 04:33 PM	#27
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	That weird little MBV-ish compressed guitar around the 2-minute mark is sweet as hell, did that even make it to the album version? Cos I don't remember it at all, if so, but ya this is a bit more flattering to the song than the album mix in general I suppose, which I guess even boll-boll couldn't deny considering it got an official release

09-17-2018, 06:57 PM	#30
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,690	Best song on Oceania. Just sounds like a mono mix. I thought Byrnes drums were ok on it.