Interview in The Guardian

[Shallowed]

Yeah that is a good point

A good example would be a song like Drum and Fife, which Billy has said is dedicated to troops fighting overseas, but no-one seems to have had that impression from the song.

[fuzzyroes]

Monuments is Corgans best work since Zwan... And I'd say Monuments is a lot more consistent than Zwan. Zwan had higher highs, but also a ton of shit... I can see why he's a little frustrated.

I think the problem is that the albums just too short... You have 9 songs and 2 are absolute shit and the others all range from pretty good- great... It's hard to justify an album with 3 great songs and 4 pretty good songs as anything higher than a 3.5.

What's Corgan even bitching about though. Oceania got fucking rave reviews... And frankly I thought those were undeserved. So it sorta equals out lol.

[Phoenix Down]

Originally Posted by juliana

How do I know you consume media?
What I said reminded you of billy?

This is a troll right?

You can't even read, can you? Who the fuck are you anyway.

[croPUMPKINS]

I mean...How much lower can one get!?

sure Billy made great music, that was underestimated primarely by the fans who hoped for another MCIS or Siamese, instead of listening to that album objectivly, Zeitgeist era...

but ongoing braging about not getting 5 stars, yet claiming you don't care...only to say 'I want to be let inside'!?

wtf Bill?

gotta accept by now Bill your cup of coffee might not be someone else'.

[Ram27]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Zwan had higher highs, but also a ton of shit...

....nah.

[Elphenor]

Zwan was a good band, not SP good, but see we don't have to compare these two totally unlike things when Billy uses a different name

[Butt Pope]

Zwan was better than anything SP 2007 - today. I don't know why this would even be a debate.

[Ram27]

exactly.

Replace every instance of the phrase 'post-2000' with the phrase 'post-2003'

[themadcaplaughs]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Billy already said he doesn't care about the RnR HoF. He said it's not for him to decide.

I can guarantee you 100% that Billy cares more about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame than just about anything else.

[Elphenor]

Oh yeah, he wants that so bad

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

Yeah that is a good point

A good example would be a song like Drum and Fife, which Billy has said is dedicated to troops fighting overseas, but no-one seems to have had that impression from the song.

i thought he had said it wsa about soliders that return home from war and have to deal with not being at war anymore. kind of like the latter half of the machina mystery "no more war and no more soldiers"

#reissueconspiracy

[slunken]

i will bang this drum till medallion day

[slunken]

he wants those awards u guys

[Spira|_]

Gish - 3.5
SD - 4.5
PI - 4
MCIS - 5
TAFH - 3.5
Adore - 4
Machina - 4
Machina II - 4
MSOTS - 3
TFE - 3
Zeitgeist - 1
TGBK - 1
Oceania - 1
Monuments - 1.5

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by slunken

i thought he had said it wsa about soliders that return home from war and have to deal with not being at war anymore. kind of like the latter half of the machina mystery "no more war and no more soldiers"

#reissueconspiracy

Well whatever it's about, hardly anyone made the connection.

[Spira|_]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Monuments is Corgans best work since Zwan... And I'd say Monuments is a lot more consistent than Zwan. Zwan had higher highs, but also a ton of shit... I can see why he's a little frustrated.

I think the problem is that the albums just too short... You have 9 songs and 2 are absolute shit and the others all range from pretty good- great... It's hard to justify an album with 3 great songs and 4 pretty good songs as anything higher than a 3.5.

What's Corgan even bitching about though. Oceania got fucking rave reviews... And frankly I thought those were undeserved. So it sorta equals out lol.

Wtf guys, there arent great songs on Monuments.

Think about this: if all SP albums were at Monuments level, this board wouldnt even exist.

[Spira|_]

Originally Posted by Spira|_

Gish - 3.5
SD - 4.5
PI - 4
MCIS - 5
TAFH - 3.5
Adore - 4
Machina - 4
Machina II - 4
MSOTS - 3
TFE - 3
Zeitgeist - 1
TGBK - 1
Oceania - 1
Monuments - 1.5

After some days of abstinence I am back to listen to Monuments again to check if it grow on me
...Maybe I should change Monuments to "1".
This is boring as shit. I cannot really like even 1 song.

[juliana]

Adore was 3.5 stars too via rolling stone http://www.rollingstone.com/music/al...adore-19980518

I honestly think I would be in a pissy mood if I were billy too.
Sd 3.5, mcis 3, adore 3.5.

I would feel like there is a glass ceiling.

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Spira|_

After some days of abstinence I am back to listen to Monuments again to check if it grow on me
...Maybe I should change Monuments to "1".
This is boring as shit. I cannot really like even 1 song.

You're boring as shit.

[lonelytowers]

Originally Posted by juliana

Adore was 3.5 stars too via rolling stone http://www.rollingstone.com/music/al...adore-19980518

I honestly think I would be in a pissy mood if I were billy too.
Sd 3.5, mcis 3, adore 3.5.

I would feel like there is a glass ceiling.

Here's the full Rolling Stone list:

SD - 3.5
PI - 3
MCIS - 3
TAFH - 4
Adore - 3.5
Machina - 3.5
Zeitgeist - 4
Oceania - 3
Monuments - 3

[killtrocity]

I feel alright tonight (x8)

WE are young (x32)

kissing a girl like you (x???)


This is the big problem with Monuments. The hooks are catchy as fuck, the instrumentation is somewhat intricate. If you don't like Tiberius then you probably haven't liked anything besides SD or MCIS

[Elphenor]

I don't like Tiberius everything on Oceania was better

[mojo]

it's why he can't resist having a go at Radiohead every now and then - he's convinced that the critics ("fuckers with beards from New York' or something like that) give them glowing reviews regardless, just as they give him middling reviews regardless. Even allowing for his paranoia, I'm not sure that's true, Thom Yorke's last effort got it's fair share of three star reviews...

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Butt Pope

Zwan was better than anything SP 2007 .

This.

[teh b0lly!!1]

i just found another total meltdown trainwreck of an interview
it's quite amusing really

http://www.theguardian.com/music/201...kins-interview

[teh b0lly!!1]

oh yeah.... sorry about that

[Ram27]

>not using the search function
>2015

[Jelly Blossom]

Billy is such an egotistical moron.

People will never say about Troll that “This is a fucking brilliant album from a brilliant artist.”

If Billy started writing brilliant songs with brilliant lyrics then yes, critics would indeed call any album he put out to be brilliant. And dare I say, would even call him brilliant.

The problem is that he's too overconfident and content with his work. It's been well documented that he's an egomaniac and if we've learned anything about the his work ethic when it comes to writing songs it's that he doesn't put any effort into what he's doing, especially when it comes to his lyric writing. That's why we get songs with such shittly lyrics like "One and All", "Tiberius" and the hilariously offensive "Anti-Hero".

Belly doesn't have the talent or ability to write a lyrically complex song like the Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" or Third Eye Blind's "Motorcycle Drive-By". Those are brilliant songs by brilliant artists.

Belly can't even write something that makes effective/creative use of metaphors like Depeche Mode's "Enjoy the Silence".

Instead, we just get songs with superfluous titles and nonsensical lyrics and he wonders why they aren't championed as coming from a brilliant artist.

[juliana]

Billy = lots of talent & no taste.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by slunken

he wants those awards u guys

bill be like that could be ME getting interrupted by kanye west