Surprised with Oceania's critical response?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by TheNightMare

It's actually too bad for Billy (though it would change the dynamic of the album, I'm sure) that there aren't any clear, marketable singles on the record. Otherwise he could ride this wave of critical acclaim to renewed relevance in popular culture, legitimately or not.

As it stands, I don't see how this album will have that type of impact with it's lack of pop-sensible tracks.

why is that important

[DisconnectD]

At any rate: Thanks a bundle, Trot, for introducing me to Hum. I'm going to dive into their back catalog & work my way up to see if I dig em

[DisconnectD]

Weirdly enough, they're album ''Downward is Heavenward is kind of reminding me of a harder Sunny Day Real Estate, which is never a bad thing. Though it's been quite a while since I've listened to that band.

[TheNightMare]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

why is that important

You're familiar with his personality, yes?

[Trotskilicious]

well yes, but i don't think it's good for him, or anyone else

[Trotskilicious]

but i think the fact that there's no pop singles on here means maybe he's getting tired of trying to chase stadium venues and hits on the radio

i mean for what it's worth he did actually deliver on the idea that he wanted to make a cohesive album, i think we expect that from him that it just doesn't get a tip of the hat when it's deserved

i mean some artists have trouble holding consistent musical themes and colors over 10 tracks, never mind trying to be relentlessly inventive and complex...corgan seems to do it effortlessly.

[Trotskilicious]

i mean even the shit i hate like machina and zeitgeist have a unified theme, tone and color with plenty of complexity and variation.

[DisconnectD]

Yeah.. if there's one thing you can't accuse him of, its lacking innovation or creativity.

[TuralyonW3]

that's not really true

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by DisconnectD

Yeah.. if there's one thing you can't accuse him of, its lacking innovation or creativity.

have you heard the first teargarden EP

[DisconnectD]

Originally Posted by reprise85

have you heard the first teargarden EP

Hey now.. to be fair I never said that all of his output is good. Good & Creative are mutually exclusive.

[BlissedandGone2]

I want to hear Billy asked again about the concept that you can't write good music if you're happy. Last time he responded with something like, "I believe I can write good music when I'm happy, but I haven't proven that yet"

I can't imagine he was very happy writing/recording this record after Jimmy left and Tulin died and his relationship ended. And when he was "happy" he was putting out the shittiest music of his career. Right? I really think the dude needs to be miserable to make good music. I also attribute all this to him being pretty tubby right now.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by meangreensp

It is subjective. When did I say y'all don't know what heavy means? To me, the Pumpkins aren't "heavy", necessarily, excluding like XYU and Tales of a Scorched Earth.

WE UNDERSTAND what subjective means, but 99% of everyone who listens to rock music is going to disagree with you. I could say, "Look at that pretty, red fire truck!" And you could respond, "To me that is more of a blue fire truck. It's not red to me."

well yeah you can make up your own definitions to things if you want, cause meanings are suuuuuuuuuuubjeeeeeeeeeeeeeectiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive but that doesn't make you not an idiot for doing it. You aren't convincing anyone that Hello Kitty Kat or Bury Me are not melt-your-face-off heavy songs. Heavy is not a genre, it's a musical quality, i.e. loud guitars forceful vocals wall of sound instrumentation blah blah

jesus you sound like the guy who came around a few months ago arguing that Ava Adore is a metal song because to him it has elements of metal in it

[andrewface]

Originally Posted by Luke de Spa

79

http://www.metacritic.com/music/mary-star-of-the-sea

because that is also a good album

[Pale Korse]

positive critique cause 5 years without Corgan album are a lot

[The Pump King]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

but i think the fact that there's no pop singles on here.

The only reason you can say there are no pop singles on the album is because he didn't release any. Fans are the worst at predicting what songs will appeal to the masses. You are a rotten liar if you say you predicted 1979 would be the biggest hit of their entire career.

[Trotskilicious]

yeah well you don't know much about music if you didn't think 1979 was a pop song

[mpp]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

yeah well you don't know much about music if you didn't think 1979 was a pop song

1979 is a killer song

i remember listening to MCIS in 1995 -- 1979 stuck out like a sore thumb, but i liked it

then came TOASE and i was like

[DisconnectD]

@mpp: lol, I know exactly what you are talking about man..

[emotionalfriend]

I seriously don't get the nu-metal comparisons at all.

[meangreensp]

Originally Posted by emotionalfriend

I seriously don't get the nu-metal comparisons at all.

With MACHINA?

It's obviously got nu-metal in it.

[Kahlo]

shut the fuck up - you are embarrassing yourself.

[Catherine Wheel]

You are confusing alternative metal with nu metal. Machina has some alternative metal influences. There is nothing on that album that is remotely nu metal.

[Liandrin]

I can't wait until Corgan releases the remixed version of Machina. Lots of decent material on that album, ruined by the sludgy, digitized late 90s production.

[Liandrin]

Originally Posted by DisconnectD

Correct me wrong, dude but isn't this the same band that SP shared a recording space with before Siamese Dream?! I swear I remember reading a Billy journal entry that mentioned them entering the space & ''the guitars & amps sounded like a fucking jet airplane taking off'' Then he said something to the effect that he knew he had to have whatever was making that sound in his band.

You're probably thinking of Catherine/Kerry Brown. I think Corgan once mentioned that the "Big Muff Vroom Vroom" guitar tone for Siamese Dream was actually invented by Kerry. Or, they worked on it together, or something like that.

[meangreensp]

Wow, such tension. Fuck off Kahlo.

[subzero]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i mean even the shit i hate like machina and zeitgeist have a unified theme, tone and color with plenty of complexity and variation.

you really hate machina?