Just heard the new album

[killtrocity]

It's better than anything he's done since 2000, but it is absolutely contrived in every sense of the word

[Mals Marola]

honestly i felt like machina was an album full of pretty simple songs that bill tried to complicate afterward

songs like this time, try, stand inside your love, wound all have pretty straightforward meanings of love, sympathy, loss, etc., so considering the fact that it didn't even come out as the planned big double concept album, the contrived story element has always seemed like a big afterthought to me

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by bobliefeld

Not sure you know what contrived means?

yeah, and i don't really see how anyone who had been keeping up with corgan up to that point would find anything with the adjectives "grand," "conceptual," or "multi-layered" as being forced or strained even in the slightest

a simple pop album without a single song over 4 minutes and guitar solos? now there's something that sounds like a strained, forced effort for him

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

If we're talking straight MTAE tracks - which probably should be the debate here - my vote would lean more towards Run2Me or Anaise!. The fact that I have to put a period after the ! in that song title gives it a little more sway.

The two best songs on the album

[Butt Pope]

Run2Me is the worst song of 2014

[Butt Pope]

Anus is the best song about Anus, though

[Butt Pope]

Anus! Anus!

[Mals Marola]

in a breakfast melt!

[dreams of glass]

run2me is awesome

[Mals Marola]

anyone who likes that song doesn't really have a leg to stand on in criticizing anything else put out by corgan ever

truespeak

[fuzzyroes]

I agree. Run 2 me is really one of the most embarrassing things I've heard from Corgan. It sounds like some kind of church song or something

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I agree. Run 2 me is really one of the most embarrassing things I've heard from Corgan. It sounds like some kind of church song or something

>>>
http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=ht...ame=snoopsagan

[Eulogy]

This is still confusing me a lot. Oceania is garbage and MTAE is pretty good.

I cannot comprehend an opposite opinion. What is happening

[Eulogy]

I understand a knee jerk negative reaction to anti-hero. But if you don't take it too seriously (that's not always required) it's pretty good. The chorus is excellent.

[Grox]

Zeitgeist is the worst SP2 release. teargarden is better

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

This is still confusing me a lot. Oceania is garbage and MTAE is pretty good.

I cannot comprehend an opposite opinion. What is happening

I feel the exact opposite

What color is the dress?

[Grox]

white and gold

[dreams of glass]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I agree. Run 2 me is really one of the most embarrassing things I've heard from Corgan. It sounds like some kind of church song or something

It sounds like cheesy 80's synth pop or a soundtrack to a movie, which is both hilarious and strangely awesome.




I dunno, I dig it, in the same way I dig ODOH from Osh.

[Bolly Crogan]

Run2me sounds like a song from a toilet paper commercial

[cardiac]

Originally Posted by Eulogy

This is still confusing me a lot. Oceania is garbage and MTAE is pretty good.

I cannot comprehend an opposite opinion. What is happening

Same here.

Dunno, I guess I'm a pretty vocal melody oriented in my preferences. Can't think of a single strong topline on Oceania and there's quite a few on Monuments.

[Tootles]

Is it possible to like both? I do. I like them for all the differences that they have. I appreciate them. Are they equal to the magic of the early 90's? Of course not, but both Oceania and Monuments are better than 99% of the other crap out there. Embrace each. Find the good. Love each other. Run to Meeeeeee.......

[juliana]

Where the bald man spoils the tea, run to me, run to me. Where the best songs are never seen, run to me, run to me.

[Ihaguitar]

Am i right in saying there are less god references in this new album than anything by Billy since Machina?

[Araneae]

Originally Posted by Ihaguitar

Am i right in saying there are less god references in this new album than anything by Billy since Machina?

I've noticed he has really pulled back on the references in interviews too, he barely brings it up anymore.

[fuzzyroes]

Well if you're trying to appeal to the younger generation the last thing you should be singing about is god. Most young people see right through that religion bullshit.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by dreams of glass

It sounds like cheesy 80's synth pop or a soundtrack to a movie, which is both hilarious and strangely awesome.




I dunno, I dig it, in the same way I dig ODOH from Osh.

Ughhh... I think Run2Me, One diamond one heart and Being Beige are right up their with my least favorite pumpkins songs.

[thedeadofnight]

Listened to it straight thru for the first time since about Christmas.....still a decent record but Run2Me (that first "run to maaaaaaaaaaay" in the first verse is the worst thing to ever come out of Corgan's mouth) and Anti-Hero are embarrassing. Really like Tiberius, Dorian and Monuments tho.

[thedeadofnight]

Death From Above is still winning in the cheese synth stakes. Slightly better than ODOH and Run4Me is last

[werideatdusk]

I like ODOH, it has a sweet ending and it feels genuine. Run2Me really does feel like it was written for an 80s toilet paper commercial. Death from Above and Owata are slightly better, but unlistenable.

He really needs to save his synths for his 9 hour experiments
http://www.alternativenation.net/wp-...siddhartha.png

[werideatdusk]

Anaise is not a bad song. The verses are pretty shitty but if you look at it as some kind of Cars-Queen influence it becomes a bit more understandable. His singing in the chorus is actually pretty lovely.